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Old 01-26-2009, 05:40 PM
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And you too Wasatch.
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Old 01-26-2009, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You don't have to worry about him getting fired. If you are convicted of a felony I don't believe you can hold a medical. The company wont have to take any action.
If I remember Aviation Law class correctly, you cannot hold an ATP and be convicted of a felony. It has something to do with "not being of moral character"
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Old 01-26-2009, 06:14 PM
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This is true, but the key word is convicted of a felony. Also you can not hold SIDA access.
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Old 01-26-2009, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom
I certainly don't know the facts of the case or the person involved. It is a tragic situation for all concerned.

I do however, want to thank ACL and DAL4EVER for their reasoned and intelligent posts. You gentlemen contribute greatly to APC, and I for one appreciate it.
Thanks for the nice words Wasatch. And ditto what ACL said about you as well. I also appreciate what other write about as these forums can offer a lot of constructive info for all of us.
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Old 01-26-2009, 09:18 PM
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I just want to thank the moderators for leaving this thread open. I realize this doesn't directly relate to the airlines - this could have been anyone written up in this article. But I think it's an important issue that has been brought to light, that deserves some merit in discussing.

If your life hasn't been touched by something like this directly, it is more than likely only a matter of time until someone you know and/or love finds themselves confronted with something like this. Unfortunately, emotional and physical abuse (perhaps not on this extreme level) are more prevalent in today's society than one would imagine.

I also agree with a previous poster's suggestion of utilizing the Employee Assistance Program (EAP). I know a few people who have used it in the past, and have had phenomenal results. It is completely 100% confidential, absolutely no recourse, and it's free. It's not HR people giving advice - it's referrals to licensed Psychologists in your home area that the company pays for. There is no excuse to not use them. If you have a problem, give them a call before things escalate and it's too late. We can all learn a lesson from this.

Best wishes to this gentleman, and especially his wife and children.
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:05 PM
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I left Delta 3 years ago and moved away from PTC. I was shocked when I saw who this was; my son and his son were good friends 10 years ago in elementary school. Beyond my comprehension how anyone could do this.
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Originally Posted by reddog25
Who would be 'stapled' to the bottom?
Thats a good one
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Best wishes to this gentleman
I'm not sure that's the way I would describe this person.

Best of luck to his wife and children.
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Old 01-27-2009, 06:49 AM
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So you are saying she broke her own wrist and toe? No, that does not fly with me.
OK, you be the prosecutor, and I'll be the jury. Your job is to convince me that this man purposely broke his wife's wrists and toe, and that she didn't do it herself. How did he do it? Did he hold her down and bend her toe back until it broke? Was she laying face-down on the floor with him sitting on her back like "Moe" of the Three Stooges, using his hands to twist her toe at some odd angle? The legs are some of the strongest muscles in the body. Why wasn't she kicking? And why the toe? If I wanted to hurt somebody, I'd break their jaw, or their arm, or their leg, but NOT their toe. I'm not even sure I'd know how to do it. Maybe she was standing peacefully on one leg, with her other leg outstretched in front of her, toes pointed, and he came running across the room and threw himself into her foot...no, into the very tip of her TOE...breaking it? Mind you, I'm not saying he didn't do it, I'm just trying to get a visual on how he did it. Help me!

Now describe for me how he broke her wrists. Did he break them before, or after the toe? Did he break them both at once, or did he do them seperately? What was she doing with her free arm while he broke the first wrist? Are his injuries (if any) consistent with her version of events, or are her injuries more consistent with his version? Again, I want to get a clear, concise visual image of how this went down, because his attorney is going to allege that she went psycho on him, broke her toe kicking him, and both of her wrists simultaneously when she fell forward during the attack. Frankly, that's a version that some jurors are going to find far more plausible than anything I've heard so far.

I am with the one who wrote on here that this guy most likely beat his wife before. There's no excuse for that type of behavior even if he had been "provoked."
That makes about as much sense as saying that Chesly Sullenberger "most likely" ditched other airplanes into the Hudson river. Statistically, women are at least as likely to initiate acts of domestic violence as males. (some studies say even more so) In most jurisdictions, police are required to make an arrest, and prosecutors required to bring charges, whenever there has been an allegation of domestic violence. IF this individual did as you have alleged, there will be a history of police contacts, arrests, medical treatment, etc. Guys who truly beat their wives break their jaws, not their toes. They fracture their wives orbital sockets, not their wrists. They go to jail, not to diversion.

At this time, this guy needs three things. First and foremost, he needs a good lawyer. The second thing he needs is a prosecutor who is capable of critical-thinking, and not afraid to exercise it despite pressure from some feminist groups. The third thing he needs is the support of family, friends, and co-workers. What he doesn't need is the endless speculation from people without first-hand knowledge of his case about what he might have been doing all these years.

You would want and expect the same, were you in his position.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged" Still good advice, IMHO...

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Old 01-27-2009, 08:05 AM
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There is more to the story but he shouldn't be persecuted here by people who don't know the facts and are acting out.
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