rvr350

When the dust settles on this bid, any word when the next ae/surplus bid will be? Specifically, for the infusion of FNWA a/c into FDL bases, i.e. a320/md90 slc swap, and the dc9/md88 swap in atl? Thanks.

acl65pilot

Next bid is planned for this summer. With this one having a 12 month conversion window, infer what you want.
FNWA a/c, pilots, and bases are not planned to be included until after SOC. (Whenever you think that may or may not be)

newKnow

Ok. I admit, I don't understand it. I'm new.

Example: You had three 737N Captains Voluntary displace to the Left seat of the ER out of JFK while you had 14 ER Captains in NYC who were Mandatory displaced. Not that you have to, but can you explain? Because, I really don't understand.

New K Now

Dash8widget

The 73N Captains who VD'd into the ER were displaced from their previous category. They, therefore, had bumping rights and were able to bid what their seniority could hold - NYC 7ERB. These guys then displaced junior captains from that category.

With a voluntary displacement, displacements are taking place in that category, and a senior person volunteers to be displaced in lieu of someone junior to him. The rights afforded a VD are somewhat less than a MD but its still a displacement and that person has bumping rights.

The system honors seniority. Clear as mud, eh?

deltabound

Per company memo, I believe the official callsign (on the ground) is supposed to be:

"Northwest XXXX, Delta Colors".

Until SOC, anyway. This is to help the controllers avoid confusion of dissimilar callsigns/paint jobs.

buzzpat

Saw an Airbus in Delta colors at LAS a couple days ago. Looks great!

NuGuy

Heyas NK,

No, you DID understand it. It's just a goofy system.

To summarize:

1) No set number of bids required. No TDY. If you want to swap bases, even on the same equipment, you are SOL.

2) Your award is nothing of the sort. They can cancel it if they feel like it.

3) Zero planning ability for training. Don't want to go to training over the summer or the holidays? TOO BAD. They get 210 (or sometimes 365) days to train you. Unless they cancel it.

4) No idea on when the new cash will start coming in or when you get to move.

Pass on the whole system.

Advantages to the APA system:

1) Bid every month/award every month. Lets you see the ebb and flow. NO pent up demand for positions, so you can predict with some accuracy.

2) You get an award, you OWN it. They CAN'T cancel it, just displace you.

3) "Just in time" training. You know when you get the award when you'll be going to training. Permits sharpshooting the summer and holidays.

4) Effective dates are rock solid. They don't have you trained? Too bad, but you still get paid.

5) TDY! Try a base before you bid it.

6) For those company men out there: This system allows the company to micro-manage staffing to the nth degree. It allows them to throttle training requirements without causing a HUGE backlog of uncompleted training. NWALPA got the APA system from the company FOR FREE. The previous system was very similar to what you (er, we) have now.

Don't get me wrong. There are some things in the JPWA that I like. The AE system isn't one of them.

Nu

vicpilot

I had an AE and a MD bid in... I got awarded an AE to somewhere where I didn't want to go (so it was a choice way down the list)... however, I look at the results, and there are people junior to me that got displaced to categories to which I had an AE bid. In short, I think I screwed myself on the bid, but I'm hoping to find an error in there somewhere... any comments? Do they run AEs before displacements?... plus, my first choice on both AE and MD lists was my current category, then other categories which got people junior to me displaced into.

DLpilot

Why did you bid an AE to somewhere that you didn't want to go? You should only bid an AE to something you want. You do not have to bid an AE.

NGINEWHOISWHAT

He probably didn't figure things would dip that far ... jokes on him. Happened to me before years back as well.