United rated the second worst company to work for in the USA.
01-14-2009, 06:41 PM
#71
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And neither did the United pilots......
EWRbased pilot is a master of sensationalism and spreading half truths
I see it in his posts about SWA and now he's making things up about UAL.
.......... It was call Try Our Real Quality United Experience, TORQUE. It was a real rally cry in Denver in the summer of '86. Agents had pins made that were green like the Colorado license plates of the time with the "TORQUE" slogan on the front. On the back of the pin was a picture of an airplane, a DC-9 with a golden tail. There was a screw going through the tail of the airplane. This was to symbolize the screwing of Continental by stealing their customers. These pins were worn by CSR's while working the halls in Stapleton. If Pilots were wearing these pins it was only to show support of the program.
EWR I can at least thank you for allowing me to go back and remember what it was like working for an airline 23 years ago.
EWRbased pilot is a master of sensationalism and spreading half truths
I see it in his posts about SWA and now he's making things up about UAL........... It was call Try Our Real Quality United Experience, TORQUE. It was a real rally cry in Denver in the summer of '86. Agents had pins made that were green like the Colorado license plates of the time with the "TORQUE" slogan on the front. On the back of the pin was a picture of an airplane, a DC-9 with a golden tail. There was a screw going through the tail of the airplane. This was to symbolize the screwing of Continental by stealing their customers. These pins were worn by CSR's while working the halls in Stapleton. If Pilots were wearing these pins it was only to show support of the program.
EWR I can at least thank you for allowing me to go back and remember what it was like working for an airline 23 years ago.
So where is my "half truth"? Talk to a few senior CAL pilots and you'll see how accurate my posts are. And now UAL wants us to be their saviour? No thanks..........
01-14-2009, 06:45 PM
#73
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The airframe/engine commonality is a big stumbling block. Rather expensive to retrofit those planes to our specs.
01-15-2009, 02:13 AM
#74
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Not to flame here, but is this really a surprise? The pilots and the crews that I've met are awesome, but management has successfully turned what was once the prime airline to work for, into one of the worst places to work for...it's actually really sad. I hope one day the United pilots are able to get their company back.
That would be about how I see it too.
01-15-2009, 05:08 AM
#75
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Yes, the job at UAL is not what it used to be. But you will have to excuse me if I don't resign my seniority number and go apply at RAH. In the overall scheme of things, UAL has been down for a fraction of it's history. My newhire class in 1997 had guys from SWA and FedEx in it. I will hang around, collect my salary and try to get a good tan on my layovers. Contract 2009 is just around the corner.
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01-19-2009, 01:15 PM
#76
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iahflyr
I have to call this guy out...
2 years ago he didn't even know what a VOR DME was used for, 1 year ago he was asking about flap track covers on a 757. He is NOT a major airline pilot, he is a private pilot who tries to sound like an airline pilot!
CAL and UAL have airframe commonality, but almost no engine commonality. This is a major maintenance nightmare.
Fortunately, Wall street agrees that now is not the time for further mergers!
I have to call this guy out...
2 years ago he didn't even know what a VOR DME was used for, 1 year ago he was asking about flap track covers on a 757. He is NOT a major airline pilot, he is a private pilot who tries to sound like an airline pilot!
CAL and UAL have airframe commonality, but almost no engine commonality. This is a major maintenance nightmare.
Fortunately, Wall street agrees that now is not the time for further mergers!
I have said my part in the pages prior about him being a "proponent" in the CAL/UAL marriage. He seems to be drinking the KOOL-AID that Tilton hands out to his cronies, board, and investors......"it's all fine here guys, nothing to see".....if my memory serves me correctly.....that's what people were saying when the Titanic was taking on water and heading down!!
Again.....THANK GOD IAHflyr does not sit in the Smith Building in Downtown Houston filling Larry's ear with BS like this!!
01-19-2009, 01:40 PM
#77
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And neither did the United pilots......
EWRbased pilot is a master of sensationalism and spreading half truths I see it in his posts about SWA and now he's making things up about UAL.
What he is referring to is the T.O.R.Q.U.E program which was started by UAL customer service reps back in 1986. The program was a grass roots effort started by a few United CSR's who became frustrated by Continentals operation at the Denver Stapleton airport.
CO's operation was so bad that their line waits at the ticket counter were hours long. It was not uncommon to have a few thousand in line waiting to either be checked in for their flight or be re-booked from the many cancellations CO had daily.The lines became so bad that they stretched into the United ticket counter area causing disturbances to the United customers. CSR's would have to make separate ques cause it was hard to tell where the United line began and the Continental line ended. After a few weeks these CSR's who were basically policing the hallways began to speak with a few of CO's customers and putting them on United flights, and thus a new program was born. It was called Try Our Real Quality United Experience, TORQUE. It was a real rally cry in Denver in the summer of '86. Agents had pins made that were green like the Colorado license plates of the time with the "TORQUE" slogan on the front. On the back of the pin was a picture of an airplane, a DC-9 with a golden tail. There was a screw going through the tail of the airplane. This was to symbolize the screwing of Continental by stealing their customers. These pins were worn by CSR's while working the halls in Stapleton. If Pilots were wearing these pins it was only to show support of the program.
EWR I can at least thank you for allowing me to go back and remember what it was like working for an airline 23 years ago.
EWRbased pilot is a master of sensationalism and spreading half truths
I see it in his posts about SWA and now he's making things up about UAL.What he is referring to is the T.O.R.Q.U.E program which was started by UAL customer service reps back in 1986. The program was a grass roots effort started by a few United CSR's who became frustrated by Continentals operation at the Denver Stapleton airport.
CO's operation was so bad that their line waits at the ticket counter were hours long. It was not uncommon to have a few thousand in line waiting to either be checked in for their flight or be re-booked from the many cancellations CO had daily.The lines became so bad that they stretched into the United ticket counter area causing disturbances to the United customers. CSR's would have to make separate ques cause it was hard to tell where the United line began and the Continental line ended. After a few weeks these CSR's who were basically policing the hallways began to speak with a few of CO's customers and putting them on United flights, and thus a new program was born. It was called Try Our Real Quality United Experience, TORQUE. It was a real rally cry in Denver in the summer of '86. Agents had pins made that were green like the Colorado license plates of the time with the "TORQUE" slogan on the front. On the back of the pin was a picture of an airplane, a DC-9 with a golden tail. There was a screw going through the tail of the airplane. This was to symbolize the screwing of Continental by stealing their customers. These pins were worn by CSR's while working the halls in Stapleton. If Pilots were wearing these pins it was only to show support of the program.
EWR I can at least thank you for allowing me to go back and remember what it was like working for an airline 23 years ago.
First and foremost, I realize that there is two sides to every story. Having flown with SEVERAL DEN commuters that are now Captains, EWR's take is right on (and NO, a large part of these Captains who I refer to are NOT the "super saver 82/83" guys). Most of these guys are 86/87 guys....and yes they too have been in the industry for 23+ year.
These guys/gals have deep scares/memories that they will not forget regarding the times that you mentioned above. You will find plenty of CAL pilots who dont care if the TORQUE campaign was started as a "grassroots" campaign by customer service agents, pilots, or FAs....bottom line, most of them have memories that run deep with scares and dislike for how they were treated by UAL as a whole while in DEN. To quote one of the CAL Captains...."If their gums were on fire I wouldn't........", you can guess the rest.
There are people who say forget it all and move on, and to that, there are many who say "heck no" concerning the above topic. Whether this is right or wrong, who am I to say.....after all, I have not been in the "airlines" for 23 years like some people.
Again....just the facts....just the facts.
01-19-2009, 03:50 PM
#78
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A group of koolaid drinking gate agents starting their own program, CANNOT be extrapolated to pilots with tie tacs and stickers on their bags.
It just didn't happen. BS flag thrown.
If CAL guys want to be ****ed at United agents, join the party. But please don't turn this into another us against them pilot bashing. It may come back to haunt everyone in the future.
It just didn't happen. BS flag thrown.
If CAL guys want to be ****ed at United agents, join the party. But please don't turn this into another us against them pilot bashing. It may come back to haunt everyone in the future.
01-19-2009, 03:57 PM
#79
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BULL!!!
See, this is exactly the type of crap I am talking about.
Uncommon fleets....
Both have 737's
Both have 757's
Both have 767's
Both have 777's
United has 747's. True, CAL does not have these aircraft, but I don't think anyone would mind seeing them on the property.
The only fundamental difference in the UAL/CAL fleet is the UAL A320's and the CAL 737NG's.
Compare that to the new Super Delta. MD-88, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777, 787, DC-9, A320, A330. They don't seem to be having much of a problem.
Old Aircraft...
Average fleet age by airline:
Continental 10.1
US Air 12.2
United 12.7
Delta 13.8
American 14.7
Northwest 18.5
Last time I saw this data, CAL and UAL were number 1 and 2 on the youngest fleets of the legacy carriers. Now UAL is barely number 3. Both airlines are significantly ahead of the combined DAL/NWA fleet age. But then again, those airlines are enjoying the benefits of a merger.
*Average Fleet Age for Selected U.S. Carriers
Get your facts straight EWRbasedpilot before you start opposing something that would benefit you tremendously. Instead of making this decision brainwashed and fearful of UAL, why don't you try to have an open mind and listen to the FACTS rather than the PROPOGANDA!
A UAL/CAL merger looks better than a DAL/NWA merger ever did!
See, this is exactly the type of crap I am talking about.
Uncommon fleets....
Both have 737's
Both have 757's
Both have 767's
Both have 777's
United has 747's. True, CAL does not have these aircraft, but I don't think anyone would mind seeing them on the property.
The only fundamental difference in the UAL/CAL fleet is the UAL A320's and the CAL 737NG's.
Compare that to the new Super Delta. MD-88, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777, 787, DC-9, A320, A330. They don't seem to be having much of a problem.
Old Aircraft...
Average fleet age by airline:
Continental 10.1
US Air 12.2
United 12.7
Delta 13.8
American 14.7
Northwest 18.5
Last time I saw this data, CAL and UAL were number 1 and 2 on the youngest fleets of the legacy carriers. Now UAL is barely number 3. Both airlines are significantly ahead of the combined DAL/NWA fleet age. But then again, those airlines are enjoying the benefits of a merger.
*Average Fleet Age for Selected U.S. Carriers
Get your facts straight EWRbasedpilot before you start opposing something that would benefit you tremendously. Instead of making this decision brainwashed and fearful of UAL, why don't you try to have an open mind and listen to the FACTS rather than the PROPOGANDA!
A UAL/CAL merger looks better than a DAL/NWA merger ever did!
One of the reasons is that if UAL/CAL are merging...they are cutting before they merge...unlike DAL/NWA...cutting after they merge...ie: parking a bunch of RJ's at DAL. All the sudden they have too many.
01-19-2009, 06:03 PM
#80
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Not here to wave any flags. It's a proven concept that the "here today, gone tomorrow" is an underlying mantra that is alive and well in this industry.
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