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Old 12-05-2008, 11:49 AM
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While you may be right about the "mechanics" of the delay problem, the blame, IMHO, still rests with Boeing. For something this important, they should have done their homework a little more thoroughly regarding the capabilities of their suppliers.

At this rate, 787 will be out on the street about the same time as A350EX (or whatever it's called).
No doubt. I completely agree. The gist of what I was trying to get across is rather than doing the work in house with their experienced engineers, they went with "risk sharing partners" who had little to no experience doing what they promised. Boeing has laid off many junior engineers while retaining engineers who are close to retirement and many if not most won't be around for another plane. The problem is that Boeing is losing all of the people who had the knowledge and experience to resolve these problems. This is systemic of the larger decline of our manufacturing and engineering talent pool.
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CAL ordered 8 777's because of the 787 delay. I also heard they're looking for any good used 777's. Too many international destinations with no planes to fly them.
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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER
This is systemic of the larger decline of our manufacturing and engineering talent pool.
Amen.......
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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER
No doubt. I completely agree. The gist of what I was trying to get across is rather than doing the work in house with their experienced engineers, they went with "risk sharing partners" who had little to no experience doing what they promised. Boeing has laid off many junior engineers while retaining engineers who are close to retirement and many if not most won't be around for another plane. The problem is that Boeing is losing all of the people who had the knowledge and experience to resolve these problems. This is systemic of the larger decline of our manufacturing and engineering talent pool.
Neither Boeing nor Airbus can survive without outsourcing!
The competetive and comparative advantages of world class vendors is a must.

One of the most sophisticated programs was the Rolls Royce Trent 1000 which was delivered and certified on time and on budget. Ok, Boeing has a longer history with RR than it does with most vendors, but the principles of program management are the same.

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When are they gonna cancel the program?
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I suspect that if they were going down that route, it would have been down long ago.
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This is systemic of the larger decline of our manufacturing and engineering talent pool.
But we have plenty of investment bankers!
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But we have plenty of investment bankers!

About time to cull the herd.
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http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com Boeing 787 Hit By New Delay

EVERETT, Wash., Dec. 11 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA - News) today announced an updated schedule for its all-new 787 Dreamliner program that moves the commercial jet's first flight into the second quarter of 2009 and first delivery into the first quarter of 2010.
The new schedule reflects the impact of disruption caused by the recent Machinists' strike along with the requirement to replace certain fasteners in early production airplanes.

"Our industry team has made progress with structural testing, systems hardware qualification, and production, but we must adjust our schedule for these two unexpected disruptions," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Scott Carson.

Prior to the strike that halted much of the company's commercial airplane work from early September into November, the 787 was to make its first flight late in the fourth quarter of 2008. First delivery was slated for the third quarter of 2009.

"We're laser focused on what needs to be done to prepare for first flight," said Pat Shanahan, 787 program vice president. "We will overcome this set of circumstances as we have others in the past, and we understand clearly what needs to be done moving forward."
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