Chasholeo

How do you know? Have you seen these?

According to some people on this board, the entire plane vaporized upon impact.

tomgoodman

CBS showed film clips of wreckage on last night's broadcast. The network news media are often slipshod and biased, but part of a grand conspiracy? I doubt it.

leardriver

When they investigated the lear 35 Payne Stewart died in. There were only a few peices larger than a quarter left in the hole. The airlane struck the groung at 600 knots.

fireman0174

At the time of 9/11 I was involved in ALPA work. A good friend of mine, a pilot I've known for 37 years, was the head of our union’s safety division on 9/11.

We had a regular scheduled MEC meeting in Chicago about 2-3 weeks after that horrible day. My friend and I both attended this 5 day meeting as our duties required our presence.

As the head of our air safety unit, my friend was invited to Shanksville, PA, getting there on a company 757 either very late that night or shortly after midnight. This was one of the few airplanes permitted to fly after the FAA shut the system down that day. I assume they flew in Pittsburgh, PA.

He showed me and everyone else at our meeting about 40-50 photos of the scene that he had taken. He also provided us with a detailed description and analysis of what he saw. This is a man who is a qualified accident investigator and had been involved in ALPA air safety work for 30+ continuous years. His integrity is absolutely above reproach.

As I recall, and it's been 4-1/2 years, the airplane hit the ground around 400+ knots at an angle of 70 degrees or so. Possibly inverted, but on that point I’m not certain. As such it didn't have a lot of forward motion, just a lot of vertical motion, so most of its energy went straight down. Not unlike Value Jet in the Everglades.

While there wasn't a lot to be seen above ground, there were definitely pieces of an airplane there.

Some of the airplane ended up some distance from the main crash, as I recall perhaps as far away as 1/4 mile or less.

With all due respect, the scenario you are referring to is absolutely absurd.

Chasholeo

If there are pictures as you say, why have none been released to the public?
Perhaps flight 93 did crash in PA, but to date there has not been any real evidence given.

Tom- I saw the footage you are referring to and it is definitely "slipshod" and unconvincing at best.

HSLD

Your recollection is spot on. I recently had dinner with the pilot you're refering to and I've worked for him in years past, I agree "...His integrity is absolutely above reproach..." I just wanted to add ability to that list.

CHIPSLGT3

Was at a CFIT crash site of an aircraft doing 300 KIAS recently. Vaporize is by far the best way to describe the wreckage. Outside of engines, zero parts too big to fit through a hula hoop, very few required using both hands, vast majority could fit in the palm of your hand.

Please let me be the last person to comment on this. Further comments only prolong a senseless discussion.

Space Monkey

I noticed that the some of the last words in the transcripts were "hey hey give it to me" I guess that proves the theroy that these muslim terrorist guys like it in the tail feathers...... Probably ****ed each other in the *** the whole way to the ground.... Man I hate those terrorist BA$TARDS. On a side note I hope Moussai or however you spell it gets the Chair with a last meal of pork.

mike734

Will you just shut up? I think you are just trying to cause an argument to hear yourself talk. I dare you to tell your theroy to one of the family members of those killed. Get a clue.

fireman0174

My only question is .... who paid for the dinner?

First met him in June 1967. We were both new DC-6 flight engineers and going through a class called BTT - Basic Turbine Training. Learning the very basic principles of how a jet engine functions.

He was based in SFO and I was based in EWR. He was about 6 months senior to me.

He was a guy I always enjoyed meeting when on the road.

He defines the label "class act".