NWA Retirements
11-15-2008, 01:01 PM
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Since when do they get a choice as to which sections of the contract they intend to follow? I think that's either a rumor or an outright false statement. Unless the joint ALPA and DAL agree, there will be no selective delaying of individual parts of the contract.
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One of the debates is over rigs, which as a 757 guy working out of NRT on a trip hour credit trip, means either I spend 1 to 2 extra days out or lose a little over $700.
We say the new rigs took effect at DCC. Delta Management says Bid Period 5, NWA Management says what ever Delta Management says and DALPA, for some reason, is going along with DMgt.......due to the staffing issue? Who knows, but at least that is one issue so far.
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11-15-2008, 01:59 PM
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Since when do they get a choice as to which sections of the contract they intend to follow? I think that's either a rumor or an outright false statement. Unless the joint ALPA and DAL agree, there will be no selective delaying of individual parts of the contract.
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11-15-2008, 02:45 PM
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On another note, strong rumors are coming out that they are considering pulling 30 dc-9s out of the desert for next summer's flying. NWA is delaying implementing the work rules from the new contract until next fall, why that is I have no idea, but the new rules would have us 300 pilots short. Since we are not hiring right now I have no idea how this staffing is going to work. First, we are still losing 20-25 pilots a month then add the new rules and the 9's and you have some pretty significant shortages. So much for getting our caps down to 75 as it looks like we will stay in the mid to upper 80s for some time to come.
Oh, by the way, we're already short as evidenced by crew skeds calling me twice this month on my days off.
Oh, by the way, we're already short as evidenced by crew skeds calling me twice this month on my days off.
For all 12,500 of us, lets hope they pull the 9's out of the desert and implement the staffing rules as the JCBA stipulates. I would love for both sides of this deal to be hiring like mad by early spring.
11-15-2008, 02:52 PM
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11-15-2008, 04:18 PM
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Slow/Tsquare,
YCLIU...........I've never said that. But nice jab at someone trying to answer your question.
The big problem with the rig question is that it is jobs. You know those things that are good for ALL of us.......lots of hiring on the NWA side and we are short widebody capt jobs if the rig question goes in our favor.
But to answer your jab, yes on a trip hour credit trip like our looooooooonnnnnngggggggggg 757 asia trips are, they can either bring me home 1 day sooner or pay me more for the extra day. Thanks for asking.
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11-15-2008, 04:39 PM
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at the end. If you'd like I'll delete the post.I was highlighting something the guys that are working for you said. Obviously I failed humor and irony.
btw, one of our negotiators said there were two issues brought up by the TWG. One was your management trying to keep your sick leave pay process (75% for second sick call, Dr note, etc) while using the JCBA bank, and the other was rigs. He said that Delta (NWA management) was wrong on sick leave, but right on the negotiated intent on rigs. I guess that's why there's such a thing as a TWG to work out this kind of misunderstanding.
11-15-2008, 05:07 PM
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There are sections of the JCBA that have delays built into the NW side. For instance, NW does not have to follow DL staffing rules for a while. I'm not sure what the time period for complete conversion is but I think its somewhere in the 18 month range. You are right, however, they do not get a "choice" of what sections they get to follow - its all built into the agreement.
11-15-2008, 06:29 PM
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btw, one of our negotiators said there were two issues brought up by the TWG. One was your management trying to keep your sick leave pay process (75% for second sick call, Dr note, etc) while using the JCBA bank, and the other was rigs. He said that Delta (NWA management) was wrong on sick leave, but right on the negotiated intent on rigs. I guess that's why there's such a thing as a TWG to work out this kind of misunderstanding.
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