Jbpa Files With Nmb
11-22-2008, 11:10 AM
#32
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: A320
Posts: 321
For a number of reasons, even though I was a 35 year ALPA member, I retired with a bitter taste in my mouth. However, during that span, I served for a number of years on the MEC and MEC committees and the only steak and red wine I had I mostly paid for.
What ALPA gives for meal expenses won't buy that level of cuisine. I regularly paid up to a few hundred dollars per month out of my own pocket.
What ALPA gives for meal expenses won't buy that level of cuisine. I regularly paid up to a few hundred dollars per month out of my own pocket.
11-22-2008, 12:10 PM
#33
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: Retired 121 pilot
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11-22-2008, 01:10 PM
#34
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Wishful thinking and cheap empty promises that everything will
be taken care of by you union reps, who may not talk to you
because they are negotiating on your behalf? No thanks.
The moment you vote for them all communication between
Management and pilot group comes to a screeching halt.
You are not privy to info any more.
Everything has to be put in contract language.
“If it nor in the contract – it’s not my job”.
The spell of death for our ‘radical application of common sense’.
That's what is known as counterfactual reasoning!
That's like saying an organization is an organization is an organization.
Some of us HAVE seen some pretty notable, even historic, action with unions before.
It would be extremely folly to tar all and any future unions with the same brush.
Sounds like you're branding on the basis of past experience. That's something effective managers of organizations avoid.
AL
Last edited by alvrb211; 11-22-2008 at 01:35 PM.
11-22-2008, 01:19 PM
#35
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Position: A320
Posts: 406
more lies and banter form our management plant waterboarder....
saying that a union is a union is just like saying management is management. Dave barger worked for lorenzo at continental, so, based on your logic, he is like frank lorenzo... really dude, give it a rest. stop your fear mongering, lying and fact less tactics.they might work on a few uninformed scared ones and on your kids,but not on adult professional pilots.
by the way I have collected more cards from ex usair and ex twa guys than any other demographic on the A320 left seat.
now go back to cleaning JR shoes, he will give you a cookie right afterward.
saying that a union is a union is just like saying management is management. Dave barger worked for lorenzo at continental, so, based on your logic, he is like frank lorenzo... really dude, give it a rest. stop your fear mongering, lying and fact less tactics.they might work on a few uninformed scared ones and on your kids,but not on adult professional pilots.
by the way I have collected more cards from ex usair and ex twa guys than any other demographic on the A320 left seat.
now go back to cleaning JR shoes, he will give you a cookie right afterward.
11-22-2008, 04:04 PM
#36
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: Passed out in my hammock
Posts: 299
Yes you did.
Check your 04/08/2009 statement.
Don't why the 3-rd year F/Os had to wait longer, but it is there.
What kind of pay raise do you expect from a Union?
How much in Union dues?
Ask a furloughed Union member from ANY other airline how well that worked out...
Look ot AMR right now, they probably have the most militant union out there which turned into a *****cat as soon as management bluffed them after 9/11.
Check your 04/08/2009 statement.
Don't why the 3-rd year F/Os had to wait longer, but it is there.
What kind of pay raise do you expect from a Union?
How much in Union dues?
Ask a furloughed Union member from ANY other airline how well that worked out...
Look ot AMR right now, they probably have the most militant union out there which turned into a *****cat as soon as management bluffed them after 9/11.
11-22-2008, 04:14 PM
#37
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Joined APC: May 2008
Position: In the green room
Posts: 105
I can’t believe how naïve all you union supporters are.
A Union is a Union is a Union.
The moment you vote one in you are stuck with them forever.
Is it mostly the military folks who are supporting this at JBLU
because one of your buddies gave the ‘marching order’?
Anyone ho has been a member of on or two unions at one or
two previous airlines will vote against it. Fortunately we have
plenty of ex US Air guys here who know better, they have seen
it in action.
Wishful thinking and cheap empty promises that everything will
be taken care of by you union reps, who may not talk to you
because they are negotiating on your behalf? No thanks.
The moment you vote for them all communication between
Management and pilot group comes to a screeching halt.
You are not privy to info any more.
Everything has to be put in contract language.
“If it nor in the contract – it’s not my job”.
The spell of death for our ‘radical application of common sense’.
A Union is a Union is a Union.
The moment you vote one in you are stuck with them forever.
Is it mostly the military folks who are supporting this at JBLU
because one of your buddies gave the ‘marching order’?
Anyone ho has been a member of on or two unions at one or
two previous airlines will vote against it. Fortunately we have
plenty of ex US Air guys here who know better, they have seen
it in action.
Wishful thinking and cheap empty promises that everything will
be taken care of by you union reps, who may not talk to you
because they are negotiating on your behalf? No thanks.
The moment you vote for them all communication between
Management and pilot group comes to a screeching halt.
You are not privy to info any more.
Everything has to be put in contract language.
“If it nor in the contract – it’s not my job”.
The spell of death for our ‘radical application of common sense’.
11-22-2008, 05:40 PM
#38
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 712
I can’t believe how naïve all you union supporters are.
A Union is a Union is a Union.
The moment you vote one in you are stuck with them forever.
Is it mostly the military folks who are supporting this at JBLU
because one of your buddies gave the ‘marching order’?
Anyone ho has been a member of on or two unions at one or
two previous airlines will vote against it. Fortunately we have
plenty of ex US Air guys here who know better, they have seen
it in action.
Wishful thinking and cheap empty promises that everything will
be taken care of by you union reps, who may not talk to you
because they are negotiating on your behalf? No thanks.
The moment you vote for them all communication between
Management and pilot group comes to a screeching halt.
You are not privy to info any more.
Everything has to be put in contract language.
“If it nor in the contract – it’s not my job”.
The spell of death for our ‘radical application of common sense’.
A Union is a Union is a Union.
The moment you vote one in you are stuck with them forever.
Is it mostly the military folks who are supporting this at JBLU
because one of your buddies gave the ‘marching order’?
Anyone ho has been a member of on or two unions at one or
two previous airlines will vote against it. Fortunately we have
plenty of ex US Air guys here who know better, they have seen
it in action.
Wishful thinking and cheap empty promises that everything will
be taken care of by you union reps, who may not talk to you
because they are negotiating on your behalf? No thanks.
The moment you vote for them all communication between
Management and pilot group comes to a screeching halt.
You are not privy to info any more.
Everything has to be put in contract language.
“If it nor in the contract – it’s not my job”.
The spell of death for our ‘radical application of common sense’.
Question for you. Is your healthcare, not pay, not retirement, but healthcare sufficient for your family? A simple yes or no answer would suffice. If you can honestly say that our healthcare is adequate then we have huge problems. If we care so much about our people then why are we NOT caring for them with healthcare? I always read in emails how we need to give our 110% with our customer but this company does not give that in return to its workers? Seems a little strange dont you think?
11-23-2008, 05:20 AM
#39
HOSED BY PBS AGAIN
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Posts: 1,713
11-23-2008, 06:12 AM
#40
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,045
We have a good thing going
here, don’t screw it up.
Just ask your buddies who fly for other
major airlines.
Waterboarder,
Since you like to draw comparisons, why don't you list the "Major" airlines that pay $55/hr to their 3rd year pilots.
Shouldn't take long!
What was the "good thing" you didn't want screwed up?
AL
Last edited by alvrb211; 11-23-2008 at 07:19 AM.
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