AA 757 rolls off the end in ORD
09-23-2008, 01:10 PM
#21
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"I would like to ask everyone from please refraining from judging the crew without all the facts. It is very easy to sit here and armchair quarterback the whole thing without having been present in that flight deck".
I agree. Remember the British Airways 777 crash???
These forums were full of claims that the crew let the fuel tanks run dry and were flying an approach into Heathrow on fumes.
Fortunately the AAIB and the NTSB demonstrated more intelligence by gathering FACTS before making statements.
AL
I agree. Remember the British Airways 777 crash???
These forums were full of claims that the crew let the fuel tanks run dry and were flying an approach into Heathrow on fumes.
Fortunately the AAIB and the NTSB demonstrated more intelligence by gathering FACTS before making statements.
AL
09-23-2008, 07:07 PM
#23
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Rush to Judgement
Let's let the trained accident investigators do their jobs and gather all the evidence before we start to point fingers or speculate.
I've got "a few hours" in the 757 but would not wade into a discussion on this accident because I was not in the cockpit. The stand-by instruments probably worked and on a clear day, it should not have been an issue BUT we don't know exactly what the "electrical problem" was.
In any case, a poor job of reporting from the media me thinks.
Just my three cents. Good Point RuttR. It's ATC's fault because the crew did as instructed...."roll it off at the end". QED !!
G'Day Mates !!
I've got "a few hours" in the 757 but would not wade into a discussion on this accident because I was not in the cockpit. The stand-by instruments probably worked and on a clear day, it should not have been an issue BUT we don't know exactly what the "electrical problem" was.
In any case, a poor job of reporting from the media me thinks.
Just my three cents. Good Point RuttR. It's ATC's fault because the crew did as instructed...."roll it off at the end". QED !!
G'Day Mates !!
Last edited by Phantom Flyer; 09-23-2008 at 07:10 PM. Reason: Added a thought
09-23-2008, 07:27 PM
#24
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If they would have had electrical fire or smoke, don't ya think they would have evacuated the aircraft? I taxied by shortly after and didn't see any slides deployed, just buses waiting to pick up the people. That tells me there was not smoke observed.
Remember the LAX AA 757 that evacuated on live tv a couple months back...that was smoke in the cabin I believe.
Remember the LAX AA 757 that evacuated on live tv a couple months back...that was smoke in the cabin I believe.
09-23-2008, 08:04 PM
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If they would have had electrical fire or smoke, don't ya think they would have evacuated the aircraft? I taxied by shortly after and didn't see any slides deployed, just buses waiting to pick up the people. That tells me there was not smoke observed.
Remember the LAX AA 757 that evacuated on live tv a couple months back...that was smoke in the cabin I believe.
Remember the LAX AA 757 that evacuated on live tv a couple months back...that was smoke in the cabin I believe.
09-23-2008, 08:48 PM
#26
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I would like to ask everyone from please refraining from judging the crew without all the facts. It is very easy to sit here and armchair quarterback the whole thing without having been present in that flight deck.
As I know it, the emergency didn't start out as one. They were across the lake, almost to the east side when they decided to turn around and divert. It was a gradual descent, and 22R was in that direction. An emergency was not declared until the very last two or three minutes, on final to 22R. That tells me that things went downhill in a hurry right in those last couple minutes, at which point they may have wanted to get in on the ground in a hurry. Possible electrical smoke, that type of thing.
Bottom line - it must have started out as an abnormal, and deteriorated from there. IMO the crew did an outstanding job in light of the circumstances.
As I know it, the emergency didn't start out as one. They were across the lake, almost to the east side when they decided to turn around and divert. It was a gradual descent, and 22R was in that direction. An emergency was not declared until the very last two or three minutes, on final to 22R. That tells me that things went downhill in a hurry right in those last couple minutes, at which point they may have wanted to get in on the ground in a hurry. Possible electrical smoke, that type of thing.
Bottom line - it must have started out as an abnormal, and deteriorated from there. IMO the crew did an outstanding job in light of the circumstances.
Agree 110%, aa 73. These people (and the monday-morning QBs on C&R) need to stop speculating, stop criticizing and wait for the facts. Then, you still can't judge them unless you were in their shoes---which you WEREN'T.
Aircraft landed safely, no injuries, no evac, probably no damage, either. What's the problem?
09-24-2008, 06:41 AM
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Right now AA Public Relations is doing what they do best. Keeping all information of the event out of the news. Other airlines are/where not so lucky. This would have sparked a full page dissertation "Just How Safe is Your Airplane?!", "How Much Longer Can This Airline Continue To Operate?", "Flaws In Airline Training!", "This Could Mean The End Of Legacy", "Will They Still Be Able To Serve Peanuts?", and the headlines could go on and on. And as a side note in every article there would be mention of TWA FLT800 somehow. But when it involves AMR they never let it start. Hell..... no one knew this happened, most reports where just a couple of sentences.
Just my thoughts and glad no one was injured.
09-24-2008, 08:27 AM
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What I meant to say was, the story was wrong - they did declare. You are correct regarding the emergency equipment, thanks.
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