AA 757 rolls off the end in ORD
#12
Why would you get in trouble for not declaring an emergency? How do you know they didn't declare the emergency? From a news report? Please, they're lucky they got the right airport and company much less the specifics of what the crew did. Besides that, ATC can declare an emergency on you even if you don't. The paranoia among some pilots kills me. Do your best, do your job, and stop worrying all the time about getting in "trouble". Obviously these guys had some problem outside the realm of normal ops and did a good job getting the plane down safely. Nice job AA guys, glad no one was hurt.
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If they had to land fast because of loss of instrumentation, why did they pick the shortest runway at ORD ?
Why did they declare the emergency 3 miles out (well inside the marker) ?
It will be interesting to see the report on this one.
Why did they declare the emergency 3 miles out (well inside the marker) ?
It will be interesting to see the report on this one.
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L&G,
I would like to ask everyone from please refraining from judging the crew without all the facts. It is very easy to sit here and armchair quarterback the whole thing without having been present in that flight deck.
As I know it, the emergency didn't start out as one. They were across the lake, almost to the east side when they decided to turn around and divert. It was a gradual descent, and 22R was in that direction. An emergency was not declared until the very last two or three minutes, on final to 22R. That tells me that things went downhill in a hurry right in those last couple minutes, at which point they may have wanted to get in on the ground in a hurry. Possible electrical smoke, that type of thing. If you are already set up for 22R on a 3 mile final for a non-emergency and you start getting smoke indications, would you perform a go around to land on a longer runway? I don't think so, especially when 7700ft of runway is way more than enough for almost any jet. It goes without saying that they would have chosen a longer runway if they felt they had time, as we are all trained.
Bottom line - it must have started out as an abnormal, and deteriorated from there. IMO the crew did an outstanding job in light of the circumstances.
73
I would like to ask everyone from please refraining from judging the crew without all the facts. It is very easy to sit here and armchair quarterback the whole thing without having been present in that flight deck.
As I know it, the emergency didn't start out as one. They were across the lake, almost to the east side when they decided to turn around and divert. It was a gradual descent, and 22R was in that direction. An emergency was not declared until the very last two or three minutes, on final to 22R. That tells me that things went downhill in a hurry right in those last couple minutes, at which point they may have wanted to get in on the ground in a hurry. Possible electrical smoke, that type of thing. If you are already set up for 22R on a 3 mile final for a non-emergency and you start getting smoke indications, would you perform a go around to land on a longer runway? I don't think so, especially when 7700ft of runway is way more than enough for almost any jet. It goes without saying that they would have chosen a longer runway if they felt they had time, as we are all trained.
Bottom line - it must have started out as an abnormal, and deteriorated from there. IMO the crew did an outstanding job in light of the circumstances.
73
#19
situation?
For instance if you departed and you had a cabin fire would you pick the closest runway or the longest.
If you were dealing with an emergency in IFR would you shoot a VOR approach to a longer runway or an ILS to a shorter one? Depends on the emergency.
I would not be so quick to assume one must always choose the longest runway. Especially with lack of details in this situation.
Respectfully,
AAflyer
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