Sailor

Soo..if the for days pass, we can expect a recall?

But on the other hand, Jan and Feb had and Have 4 days off lines and the haven't recall any. So besides the QOL of line pilots, to us Furloughs does not really matter what the Circus Decides.

Pls tell me I am way wrong here.

captscott26

Im not sure where you got your info, but the company has not made lines that comply with the 4 day off clause since August. Im not sure if there are a few floating around in the bid packet for Feb with 4 days off, but most do not. I will say that the lines have gotten better since December, when there were a lot of schedules with only 2 days between pairings. I havent seen a lot of that in the Feb schedules, except with the reserve lines.

IMO, if we win the arbitration, we need to recall at least 20 pilots. However, that would make sense, and its been a while since I have seen this company do anything that made sense.

Normann

I don't know how far down you are. But without planes I think it is a realistic assumption to say that this furlough list will not be covered this year. I can see another 20 tops 40 going back throughout the year but not more than that. Not without planes. If you are not in the upper third of that list, there is nothing to wait for. I am not saying to throw away your number but just something to think about.

The only good news is that we know for a fact that they wanted to get more planes. It did not work out, but they did try. That does provide some hope. But will they commit to more expensive, newer planes? Who knows? May be those beaten down 320s were so cheap that it was hard to refuse them and they explored the idea in detail.

Either way... No planes! No hope! For most anyways.

Sailor

The info about the lines was assumed, since I knew there were a few 4 day off in Jan, but NOBOBY, here or NKboard had said anything about Feb, I just thought that there were the same or better than Jan. I just assumed and I know what happens when you do...

About the list with 20 recalls, if 3 or 4 bypass, I am in, the question still is When and How many?

Thanks guys for keeping us in the loop. Since the other site is just The Soap of Spirit. A lot of rumors and hating.

And does anyone know what ever happen to deposit that was supposed to be done last Oct for the Buses?

emj55

Release #09.SPA
January 26, 2009

Spirit Management Demands Harsh Concessions from Pilots
Pilots asked to pay the cost of management’s ambitious expansion plans

Miramar, Fla.—Spirit Airline pilots, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), this week rejected a new contract proposal from management that would force deep concessions in pay, benefits, and work rules. The proposal comes within weeks of the airline’s announcing plans to expand service in the Caribbean and United States. It also negates more than 30 months of contract talks (including reneging on 30 different tentative agreements reached over this period) and would further solidify the pilots’ contract as the worst in the industry.

“The company has repeatedly asked the pilot group to fund their blunders and now they want us to finance their expansions,” said Captain Sean Creed, Spirit Airlines MEC chairman. “We want this company to succeed and grow, but not at the cost of our families and our careers.”

On January 20, Spirit Airlines management put forward a new contract proposal that calls for $5.8 million in concessions, with additional concessions imposed if dramatic cuts to benefits are taken into account. Meanwhile, the company plans to spend millions to start service between Boston and Atlantic City, Chicago and Myrtle Beach, and throughout the Caribbean.

In addition, the new proposal states that pilots who are injured while on duty would be ineligible for worker’s compensation unless they can show that they are incapable of performing any job at the company—from secretary to janitor. Captain upgrades would also be based on management’s subjective assessment of the pilot’s personality. Both of these proposals are unheard of in the industry.

“To have this kind of document presented after two and half years of contract negotiations, and while you are increasing your routes and services, illustrates the utter contempt this company has for these pilots, their contributions, and the collective bargaining process as a whole,” said Art Luby, ALPA assistant director of Representation.

Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilot union and represents 52,500 pilots at 36 airlines in the U.S. and Canada, including more than 500 pilots at Spirit Airlines. Visit the ALPA website at ALPA - Home.

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shiftwork

Indigo getting desperate? Ford & Harrision LLP trying for a "Hail Marry"?

Change is coming.......

GRDHound

Care to elaborate?
Not being sarcastic just don't understand what you're "hail Mary" is.

shiftwork

Hopefully this will help you find the "wheat from the chaff".

Hail Mary pass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If not: desperation, with only a small chance of success (colloquially speaking, it "has a prayer's chance").

Sailor

Any hopes for APR?

BoredwLife

No but there might be a vote to approve a strike by April.