SWA getting the luv from ATC
08-20-2008, 10:39 AM
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I am not sure where you are going, but SWA also has an hourly wage of 173.63 times 1.1393 for 12 year Captains. The difference is most of us (SWA) are not trying to pad our pay by engaging in activity that would cause an overfly. Different company and a different philosophy I guess.
20 years ago when I was on the 727 as a FE at Pan Am I was asked by the Captain to add 10 minutes (15 > 2 hours) to every flight. Since I was on probation I initially said okay. Then I thought about it and since the log book was used for pay records for all crewmembers (Flight attendants included). I handed the logbook to him and said "your fill it out, I am not going to falsify our flight times."
There was no argument from him just a chuckle from the guy in the right seat.
20 years ago when I was on the 727 as a FE at Pan Am I was asked by the Captain to add 10 minutes (15 > 2 hours) to every flight. Since I was on probation I initially said okay. Then I thought about it and since the log book was used for pay records for all crewmembers (Flight attendants included). I handed the logbook to him and said "your fill it out, I am not going to falsify our flight times."
There was no argument from him just a chuckle from the guy in the right seat.
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08-20-2008, 11:04 AM
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20 years ago when I was on the 727 as a FE at Pan Am I was asked by the Captain to add 10 minutes (15 > 2 hours) to every flight. Since I was on probation I initially said okay. Then I thought about it and since the log book was used for pay records for all crewmembers (Flight attendants included). I handed the logbook to him and said "your fill it out, I am not going to falsefy our flight times."
When I was a new hire we did not have ACARS and called in out own times. Most captains called it "on time" even if we pushed 5 late but one guy used to ask me to add 5 to our arival times. Ops would call us for our IN time and I would have to add 3 minutes to the current time! I am ashamed to say I did not fight him on this initially but later got the gonads to tell him NO. Interestingly he is one of the two scabs we have at Alaska.
As far as SW, Yeah, they get preferential treatment. I've seen it but it never bothered me. I get paid by the minute.
08-20-2008, 12:42 PM
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Good for you. I was on the MEC of an airline where a guy was fired for falsifying his block times. It was hopeless in arbitration. The company had pages of documented times to compare with his times. The easily showed a habitual trend of lying on his block times. There was nothing we could do. He hit the streets.
When I was a new hire we did not have ACARS and called in out own times. Most captains called it "on time" even if we pushed 5 late but one guy used to ask me to add 5 to our arival times. Ops would call us for our IN time and I would have to add 3 minutes to the current time! I am ashamed to say I did not fight him on this initially but later got the gonads to tell him NO. Interestingly he is one of the two scabs we have at Alaska.
As far as SW, Yeah, they get preferential treatment. I've seen it but it never bothered me. I get paid by the minute.
When I was a new hire we did not have ACARS and called in out own times. Most captains called it "on time" even if we pushed 5 late but one guy used to ask me to add 5 to our arival times. Ops would call us for our IN time and I would have to add 3 minutes to the current time! I am ashamed to say I did not fight him on this initially but later got the gonads to tell him NO. Interestingly he is one of the two scabs we have at Alaska.
As far as SW, Yeah, they get preferential treatment. I've seen it but it never bothered me. I get paid by the minute.
My experience with that Captain sounds better than it really was in retrospect after re-reading my post. First of all I corrected my spelling of "falsify" by asking my 16 year old. I also was already in the pool at SWA and was just waiting on a class date so I was not as brave as I let on. Otherwise the story was accurate. Let me just say we did not go out to eat that night as a crew (he even had the flight attendants angry wih me). I was not surprised when Pan Am went under the next year.
I guess my point is (and I am at an airline that treats us pretty good) that any intentional behavior that adds block time on the part of the crew ultimately hurts your fellow employees and your company. My attitude is that "it is what it is." If I overfly it won't be because I "added" it to my paycheck. Just my 2 cents.
08-20-2008, 02:38 PM
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08-20-2008, 02:59 PM
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.Course, works both ways.
08-20-2008, 04:29 PM
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As a pilot, I do care when somebody else cuts me off and almost causes a Class A mishap on the taxiway. If you don't care about that then more the power to you.
As an executive at another airline, I would care about my planes getting sent around, cut-out, or put in danger. Those things have the potential of costing you thousands of dollars. But hey, when your the CEO at CAL, you could just let them do it and take pay cuts for your pilots to make up for it....just an idea.
As an executive at another airline, I would care about my planes getting sent around, cut-out, or put in danger. Those things have the potential of costing you thousands of dollars. But hey, when your the CEO at CAL, you could just let them do it and take pay cuts for your pilots to make up for it....just an idea.
08-20-2008, 05:23 PM
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Yeah, cause ATC never misses a radio call.
08-20-2008, 06:07 PM
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1. Yes, a SWA captain cut my aircraft off and almost caused a collision on a taxiway at SEA.
2. Yes, I was vectored a 270 as SWA got the straight in to final at OAK. While monitoring tower & approach, there didn't seem to be any logical reason for us to go around other than they were too tight on us and they couldn't get us both in. Fact, I don't know. It was my perception.
As far as fishy, believe what you want to believe. I could care less if you believe what I say. Besides, I thought this thread was boring???? So quit reading it.
08-20-2008, 06:42 PM
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Herk -
1. Yes, a SWA captain cut my aircraft off and almost caused a collision on a taxiway at SEA.
2. Yes, I was vectored a 270 as SWA got the straight in to final at OAK. While monitoring tower & approach, there didn't seem to be any logical reason for us to go around other than they were too tight on us and they couldn't get us both in. Fact, I don't know. It was my perception.
As far as fishy, believe what you want to believe. I could care less if you believe what I say. Besides, I thought this thread was boring???? So quit reading it.
1. Yes, a SWA captain cut my aircraft off and almost caused a collision on a taxiway at SEA.
2. Yes, I was vectored a 270 as SWA got the straight in to final at OAK. While monitoring tower & approach, there didn't seem to be any logical reason for us to go around other than they were too tight on us and they couldn't get us both in. Fact, I don't know. It was my perception.
As far as fishy, believe what you want to believe. I could care less if you believe what I say. Besides, I thought this thread was boring???? So quit reading it.
08-20-2008, 07:35 PM
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Perhaps he was expecting you to hold short??? Or, perhaps he thought you were taxing like American and would have plenty of space??? It was probably a miscommunication or misunderstanding, and not intentional. I can't imagine anyone trying to shoot the gap and possibly bend metal...
PS I was almost run over a couple of times by Alaska when I used to flight out SEA, but I don't think it was intentional.
PS I was almost run over a couple of times by Alaska when I used to flight out SEA, but I don't think it was intentional.
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