Northwest SJ Details
03-07-2006, 08:08 AM
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Northwest SJ Details
SMALL JET (SJ) PARAMETERS OF THE NWA / ALPA RESTRUCTURING TENTATIVE AGREEMENT Highlights of the SJ flying parameters.
1. SJs with a certificated seating capacity of 50 seats or less.
2. SJs configured with 51-76 seats not owned, leased, financed, or controlled by NWA and operated at Feeder Carriers flying their own aircraft.
3. SJs configured with 51-76 seats which are owned, leased, or financed by NWA and operated at Feeder Carriers.
4. SJs configured with 51-76 seats which are flown at a separate wholly owned subsidiary/affiliate of NWA (called SJet for now).
5. SJs configured with 77-110 seats (118 certificated) would be flown at NWA Mainline at the previously mentioned ratios.
1. SJs with a certificated seating capacity of 50 seats or less.
- Flown at feeder carriers.
- Unlimited number allowed.
- No limitations on use.
- No limitations on ownership, financing, control, etc.
- No special employment opportunities for furloughed NWA pilots except as provided for the Pinnacle Hiring LOA signed in 2002.
2. SJs configured with 51-76 seats not owned, leased, financed, or controlled by NWA and operated at Feeder Carriers flying their own aircraft.
- No limitations on use.
- Must have a certificated seating capacity of 86 seats or less, with the exception that if the CRJ-900LR is operated the maximum seating certification level is 90 seats.
- Limited to 55 aircraft. This total includes the existing 35 Mesaba Avros, which these aircraft are intended to replace.
- The 55 limit may be exceeded on a 1:1 basis with the entering into service of a 77-110 seat configured SJ to be flown at NWA mainline. The pay rates and work rules for the 77-110 seat mainline SJ are covered later.
- Furloughed NWA pilots are entitled to 5 new hire jobs at the Feeder Carrier operating the aircraft.
- The Feeder Carriers furloughed pilots have first right to any jobs at their airline.
- The furloughed NWA pilots employed at the Feeder Carrier would work under the terms of that carriers pilot contract.
3. SJs configured with 51-76 seats which are owned, leased, or financed by NWA and operated at Feeder Carriers.
- All parameters are the same as the previous section, and are included in the 55 aircraft limit, except the employment opportunities for furloughed NWA pilots.
- Furloughed NWA pilots would then be entitled to of the Captain and of the First Officer positions created to operate the aircraft provided by NWA. (Except at Mesaba, where there are already pilots operating 35 Avros, which will be replaced.)
- The furloughed NWA pilots employed at the Feeder Carrier would work under the terms of that carriers pilot contract.
4. SJs configured with 51-76 seats which are flown at a separate wholly owned subsidiary/affiliate of NWA (called SJet for now).
- No limitations on use.
- Must have a certificated seating capacity of 86 seats or less, with the exception that if the CRJ-900LR is operated the maximum seating certification level is 90 seats.
- Limited to 90 total aircraft, which is inclusive of the 55 aircraft limit for the Feeder Carrier flying.
- The 90 aircraft limit may be exceeded on a 1:1 basis with the entering into service of a 77-110 seat configured SJ to be flown at NWA mainline.
- Furloughed NWA pilots have the first right to the jobs at SJet, but will be on a separate seniority list.
- There would be a flow up / flow down between pilots at SJet and NWA, including new hire pilots at SJet and NWA. The flow up / down would be subject to metering limitations.
- NWA would be allowed to sell SJet after 10 77-110 seat configured Small Jets are in active service at NWA mainline.
- If the successor owner of SJet does not comply with the Flow Up / Down provisions, the number of 51-76 seat SJs being flown by Feeder Carriers would be required to be reduced to a baseline of 55 aircraft.
- The pay rates and work rules for the SJet flying are covered later.
- Note: the trigger for NWA to outsource up to 90 76 seat configured aircraft is dependent upon maintaining the flow up/down process.
5. SJs configured with 77-110 seats (118 certificated) would be flown at NWA Mainline at the previously mentioned ratios.
- 1:1 ratio above 55 76 seat SJs operated by Feeder Carriers which are not subsidiaries of NWA.
- 1:1 ratio above 90 76 seat SJs operated by NWA subsidiary SJet and other Feeder Carriers.
- Pay rates and work rules for this group are included later and would not include any aircraft with a certified seating capacity greater than 118, or any series of an aircraft type already operated by NWA, such as the 318, B717, etc.
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03-07-2006, 08:22 PM
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is this right?
1) If nwa replaced let's say 100 dc-9's with 100 emb-190 (77-110 seats) could the feeders regionals or S airlines increase their number of 76 seat planes by 100 with the 1:1 ratio? Hence 90 + 1:1 ratio (100) = 190 planes or 1900 pilot slots
2) If there is no 77-110 seats at nwa, is the number of 76 seaters 90 or 900 less future jobs at NWA?
1) If nwa replaced let's say 100 dc-9's with 100 emb-190 (77-110 seats) could the feeders regionals or S airlines increase their number of 76 seat planes by 100 with the 1:1 ratio? Hence 90 + 1:1 ratio (100) = 190 planes or 1900 pilot slots
2) If there is no 77-110 seats at nwa, is the number of 76 seaters 90 or 900 less future jobs at NWA?
Last edited by Eric Stratton; 03-08-2006 at 06:26 AM.
03-08-2006, 12:04 PM
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A New Low..
PAYRATES. Furloughed pilots electing to fly at SJet will start out at Year 2 pay as a Captain, Year 4 pay as a First Officer, or their actual NWA Year of Service if less. 1% annual raises beginning 6/1/2008.
YEARS OF SERVICE CAPT FO
1 $60.41 23.18
2 $62.41 33.68
3 $64.53 35.83
4 $66.52 37.29
5 $68.55 38.25
6 $70.65 39.18
7 $72.66 40.07
8 $74.88 40.88
9 $77.41 41.06
10 $80.01 41.18
11 $82.45 41.18
12 $85.01 41.18
13 $87.58 41.18
14 $90.24 41.18
15 $92.78 41.18
16 $95.16 41.18
17 $97.45 41.18
18 $99.73 41.18
I guess some people will agree to ANYTHING to fly airplanes for a living.
YEARS OF SERVICE CAPT FO
1 $60.41 23.18
2 $62.41 33.68
3 $64.53 35.83
4 $66.52 37.29
5 $68.55 38.25
6 $70.65 39.18
7 $72.66 40.07
8 $74.88 40.88
9 $77.41 41.06
10 $80.01 41.18
11 $82.45 41.18
12 $85.01 41.18
13 $87.58 41.18
14 $90.24 41.18
15 $92.78 41.18
16 $95.16 41.18
17 $97.45 41.18
18 $99.73 41.18
I guess some people will agree to ANYTHING to fly airplanes for a living.
03-08-2006, 01:13 PM
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Where is this info posted?
Originally Posted by HSLD
SMALL JET (SJ) PARAMETERS OF THE NWA / ALPA RESTRUCTURING TENTATIVE AGREEMENT Highlights of the SJ flying parameters.
1. SJs with a certificated seating capacity of 50 seats or less.
2. SJs configured with 51-76 seats not owned, leased, financed, or controlled by NWA and operated at Feeder Carriers flying their own aircraft.
3. SJs configured with 51-76 seats which are owned, leased, or financed by NWA and operated at Feeder Carriers.
4. SJs configured with 51-76 seats which are flown at a separate wholly owned subsidiary/affiliate of NWA (called SJet for now).
5. SJs configured with 77-110 seats (118 certificated) would be flown at NWA Mainline at the previously mentioned ratios.
1. SJs with a certificated seating capacity of 50 seats or less.
- Flown at feeder carriers.
- Unlimited number allowed.
- No limitations on use.
- No limitations on ownership, financing, control, etc.
- No special employment opportunities for furloughed NWA pilots except as provided for the Pinnacle Hiring LOA signed in 2002.
2. SJs configured with 51-76 seats not owned, leased, financed, or controlled by NWA and operated at Feeder Carriers flying their own aircraft.
- No limitations on use.
- Must have a certificated seating capacity of 86 seats or less, with the exception that if the CRJ-900LR is operated the maximum seating certification level is 90 seats.
- Limited to 55 aircraft. This total includes the existing 35 Mesaba Avros, which these aircraft are intended to replace.
- The 55 limit may be exceeded on a 1:1 basis with the entering into service of a 77-110 seat configured SJ to be flown at NWA mainline. The pay rates and work rules for the 77-110 seat mainline SJ are covered later.
- Furloughed NWA pilots are entitled to 5 new hire jobs at the Feeder Carrier operating the aircraft.
- The Feeder Carriers furloughed pilots have first right to any jobs at their airline.
- The furloughed NWA pilots employed at the Feeder Carrier would work under the terms of that carriers pilot contract.
3. SJs configured with 51-76 seats which are owned, leased, or financed by NWA and operated at Feeder Carriers.
- All parameters are the same as the previous section, and are included in the 55 aircraft limit, except the employment opportunities for furloughed NWA pilots.
- Furloughed NWA pilots would then be entitled to of the Captain and of the First Officer positions created to operate the aircraft provided by NWA. (Except at Mesaba, where there are already pilots operating 35 Avros, which will be replaced.)
- The furloughed NWA pilots employed at the Feeder Carrier would work under the terms of that carriers pilot contract.
4. SJs configured with 51-76 seats which are flown at a separate wholly owned subsidiary/affiliate of NWA (called SJet for now).
- No limitations on use.
- Must have a certificated seating capacity of 86 seats or less, with the exception that if the CRJ-900LR is operated the maximum seating certification level is 90 seats.
- Limited to 90 total aircraft, which is inclusive of the 55 aircraft limit for the Feeder Carrier flying.
- The 90 aircraft limit may be exceeded on a 1:1 basis with the entering into service of a 77-110 seat configured SJ to be flown at NWA mainline.
- Furloughed NWA pilots have the first right to the jobs at SJet, but will be on a separate seniority list.
- There would be a flow up / flow down between pilots at SJet and NWA, including new hire pilots at SJet and NWA. The flow up / down would be subject to metering limitations.
- NWA would be allowed to sell SJet after 10 77-110 seat configured Small Jets are in active service at NWA mainline.
- If the successor owner of SJet does not comply with the Flow Up / Down provisions, the number of 51-76 seat SJs being flown by Feeder Carriers would be required to be reduced to a baseline of 55 aircraft.
- The pay rates and work rules for the SJet flying are covered later.
- Note: the trigger for NWA to outsource up to 90 76 seat configured aircraft is dependent upon maintaining the flow up/down process.
5. SJs configured with 77-110 seats (118 certificated) would be flown at NWA Mainline at the previously mentioned ratios.
- 1:1 ratio above 55 76 seat SJs operated by Feeder Carriers which are not subsidiaries of NWA.
- 1:1 ratio above 90 76 seat SJs operated by NWA subsidiary SJet and other Feeder Carriers.
- Pay rates and work rules for this group are included later and would not include any aircraft with a certified seating capacity greater than 118, or any series of an aircraft type already operated by NWA, such as the 318, B717, etc.
03-08-2006, 01:26 PM
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Where did you find this info?
Originally Posted by SpurrierFan
PAYRATES. Furloughed pilots electing to fly at SJet will start out at Year 2 pay as a Captain, Year 4 pay as a First Officer, or their actual NWA Year of Service if less. 1% annual raises beginning 6/1/2008.
YEARS OF SERVICE CAPT FO
1 $60.41 23.18
2 $62.41 33.68
3 $64.53 35.83
4 $66.52 37.29
5 $68.55 38.25
6 $70.65 39.18
7 $72.66 40.07
8 $74.88 40.88
9 $77.41 41.06
10 $80.01 41.18
11 $82.45 41.18
12 $85.01 41.18
13 $87.58 41.18
14 $90.24 41.18
15 $92.78 41.18
16 $95.16 41.18
17 $97.45 41.18
18 $99.73 41.18
I guess some people will agree to ANYTHING to fly airplanes for a living.
YEARS OF SERVICE CAPT FO
1 $60.41 23.18
2 $62.41 33.68
3 $64.53 35.83
4 $66.52 37.29
5 $68.55 38.25
6 $70.65 39.18
7 $72.66 40.07
8 $74.88 40.88
9 $77.41 41.06
10 $80.01 41.18
11 $82.45 41.18
12 $85.01 41.18
13 $87.58 41.18
14 $90.24 41.18
15 $92.78 41.18
16 $95.16 41.18
17 $97.45 41.18
18 $99.73 41.18
I guess some people will agree to ANYTHING to fly airplanes for a living.
If the payscale above is correct (I can't find it posted on any official company or union website), it certainly is not a very impressive one. I guess we have to consider the industry average on this one and perhaps give thanks to the airlines who negotiated rates for these size airplanes before us.
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