757Driver

Absolutely,

I wish we could all get together and shut-down the skies for several days collectively and stop this BS race to the bottom!!

Eric Stratton

Are you saying that a possible $500 million saving in fuel isn't that big of a deal because you are looking at %'s instead of real #'s.

NWA's flying decreased and southwests flying increased and NWA fuel cost's still rose over southwest's.

Can you show me the %'s of what it would have been like if southwest and NWA swaped what each other paid in fuel per barrel. I bet it would quite different.

duffrick

I can appreciate that we look at this issue differently. Do me a big favor though, don't ever accuse me of crossing any picket lines. I would never cross any picket line, period. If we struck at NWA, I would honor the picket, so suck your claws back in and accept that there are people out there who think differently than you.

Also take a quick look at the carriers we are trying to one-up (UAL, AAA, AWA, JTB and others) in this bankruptcy and tell me honestly that our TA is worse than the contracts they got. I know you are really ****ed, so am I, but the issues I voted to strike on were resolved in this TA, and yes, I am fairly junior so a lot of the issues that you probably don't have to deal with up there on your elevated perch on the B757, I am going to have to face when the new small jets come on line.

Don't get me wrong, this TA sucks. The question is, could we have done better? Which item specifically do you think is strike worthy in this TA? Is it the B757 pay scale? Sure hope not. I assume that you are little more intelligent than your venom filled rants on this site.

Eric Stratton

1. yes

2. the reduction in your scope.

astrojet

the more no votes this TA will get. almost 500 not 1000 nwa pilots have already voted, you cannot get into the web site without security. www.votenegative.com as of march 24 is showing about 68% NO votes, HISTORY shows airlines are made BY PILOTS, NWA will cease to exist without its pilots, the tides will turn in our favor, by voting NO you will give the MEC the ammunition it needs for a better TA, if not in $$ at least in language....it just has too many loopholes...the boys in eagan know there is NO re-finnacing by wall street without a TA. steenland has a few other TA's in his desk bottom drawer and i want to see the next one...

757Driver

How's about 99% of it?

Duffrick, the whole point of being in a Union is to enhance or preserve what you have. To give up things only to prevent furloughs has never been in ALPA'a best interest. As I said earlier, I'd much rather be furloughed with the option of returning to a better contract.

Your "All About Me" attitude struck me as vaguely familiar to CAL's 1983 episode. A spades a spade buddy.

duffrick

First, thank you so much for your valuable lessons regarding union membership. Second, will you lay off that scab talk of yours, that kind of trash talk is completely uncalled for and unbecomming of an airline professional. You can whine and ***** at me regarding my opinions, but don't call me a SCAB, deal? SCABbing is a very serious allegation and shouldn't be tossed around lightly. I'll refrain form calling you names for now.

Third, I am going to count on you taking one for the team and take an early furlough, right?

Your accusation that I am an "All About Me" kind of guy also strikes me as being a little lame, I am about me and my family, and you, and all our other employees at NWA. My opinions on this TA are based on the airlines who are or have been in bankruptcy and our closest competition. You are certainly correct when you say that this TA sucks, I am trying to think back to a concessionary contract that didn't and I can't find one. Having said that, what do you believe is a reasonable and deserving contract? CAL + 10%? How about American + 10%? Why don't we pull out all the stops and tell management that we are not going to give a red cent, since we know that they'll need a consensual contract in order to obtain exit financing? Boy, that will really show them how mad we are.

I wanted commend you on your vigor and zest, it is guys like you we need on the negotiating commitee, guys who put emotions in to this process, guys who can look at the competition and boldly say; "I care not what the others are stuck with, I will not compare, I am mad and I want the rest of the world to know." Stuff like that. Let's keep reason out of this. I am sure that had we had you on that commitee we'd be golden right now.

Seriously though, when I have attended the road shows, I will make up my final decision and then vote. Perhaps voting this contract down will be what's in our best interests, but on the surface it beats all the other distress-negotiated contracts out there.

duffrick

Reagrding point 1. Perhaps we could have done better. The jury is still out on that one.

Regarding point 2. You'll be hard pressed to find any pilot on the property with a higher seniority than 2500 that is going to want to strike on the scope language in this TA. The goal, I believe, was to protect the DC-9 flying and to the greatest extent possible protect the 51-76 seat flying. I think they accomplished that. The cat got out of the hat years ago with Delta caving on their scope, allowing the flying of up to 70 seats to be flown by ASA and Comair. All the other carriers dumb enough to have RJ flying quickly followed.

We didn't give anything in this TA that is not already in existence at the other legacy carriers already. Alright, I'll give you credit for CAL, they have no 70 seat or higher flying, but the others...

757Driver

Didn't call you a scab but your diatribe certainly sounded like one. You aren't a scab until you actually cross a picket line so point taken.

Been there, done that. Have you ever been furloughed? I have and returned to greener pastures.



I hope you truly do mean this. This TA is a gigantic, unfinished Peice of Sh!t and should not be ratified period.

Best of luck with your decision.

Eric Stratton

I'm curious how much of the dc-9 flying you think will be retained when they start replacing them with unlimited 50 seaters and the 70 seaters that will be coming? I'm betting you will see a big reduction in flying.

those top 2500 are a perfect example of why there is no unity in this industry. I got mine, now you take care of yourself mentality.