Zapata

Yes they are. Why do you ask? Anyway, back to the thread;

If this guy is really indeed a loose canon, ALPA needs to issue a statement against this idiot.

SoCalGuy

Take a deep breath from your rant....you don't need to throw around the "SCAB" word if you haven't got a "clue" as to what it's true meaning is. In our industry, this is a strong word at best. It's meaning should be understood before you continue to sound increasing uneducated on the issue as you have "seem" to think you know so much about.

Short and simple for you.....SCAB: A worker who continues to work when a strike or other form of industrial action has been called.

You are not the only one that feels the scorn of our industry/economy being screwed up at best....especially when it pertains to the airline industry. I too am not a big fan of having non union pilot groups working in a highly unionized arena of airline pilots. It does not help the issue one bit when trying to right various companies in labor vs management issues. To say there are a lot of scabs "flocking" to places like those....ie JB, Virgin, Allegiant, Skywest ect....is just stupid at best! If there is "A LOT" of scabs "flocking" over to those places that you mention, then how come there is not "A LOT" of them on the Master Scab List listed as working for those carriers mentioned above?!?!?

Think about and understand what your saying before you speak.

Good luck to all the Alaska guys....keep your heads up and nose to the stone.

Eric Stratton

If this guy is worried about non union carriers lowering the bar what about union carriers like gojet and others.

I do think pilots need to start taking responsiblity for what is happening to this industry and airlines like jetblue, virgin, allegiant are definately not helping only hurting.

Fins Up

Are you going fishing here? Why not just PM the fella?

stinsonjr

I am generally against jumpseat wars of any kind and I believe they only create ill will and split pilots. That said, I do understand the part where the resolution states that non-union carriers use lower wages to hold down ticket prices and therefore try to drive higher wage, union shops out of business. Why would any company offer a free benefit to workers of another, that are competing with them, and using lower wages to do it? Not trying to take a position here - just trying to understand.

Sideshow Bob

And on occasion, folks forced out of "legacy" (I really like that term) carriers often land at non-union carriers and then plant the seeds for a union. Quite a few of the guys at the beginnings of Temasters (yeah, I know ) at Kalitta when I was there were ex-ALPA and amongst a sea of TRUE scabs (UAL, Continental, Eastern) managed to unionize an airline run by one of the most notorious anti-union guys ever (Connie).

stinsonjr

Also, just for my information - doesn't JetBlue have an inhouse group - the JetBlue pilots association? Doesn't this count as an in-house union? I believe Allegiant also has an in-house group - the Allegiant pilots association.

Sniper

Because jumpseating is a professional courtesy offered by the PIC of the flight to a fellow pilot, not a "free benefit" from one company's employees to another's.

How does jumpseating enable an airline pilot’s employers to enjoy an "unfair economic advantage"? The pilot employees benefit from jumpseating, not the employers. The only way for the employer to benefit (that I’m aware of) would be to rely upon jumpseat privileges for the purpose of crew movement to save $ – that’s already prohibited at Alaska (and everywhere else). Furthermore, Alaska’s pilots are afforded the same jumpseat benefits on the ‘offending carrier’ that the ‘offending carrier’s’ pilots are afforded on Alaska – I’m aware of no jumpseat agreements Alaska has entered into that are not fully reciprocal. This seems very fair on face value.

How does jumpseating "impose undue negative pressure on Alaska pilot wages or benefits"? I can’t even think of a way the wages would be affected by jumpseating in any negative way, let alone an "undue" one. The benefits, as already stated, are equal. There are two notable carriers that do not reciprocate fully with all pilot groups to my knowledge (both reciprocate fully with Alaska), but that issue is not germane here.

ALPA does appear to have an official policy of looking to union affiliation for jumpseat priority, so an ALPA member in good standing has every right to bring a motion to the floor on it. The Alaska pilots, not this message board, will decide the merits of the petition. Perhaps Section 115.G.3 of the ALPA Administrative Manual needs to be revisited for clarification by ALPA pilots too?

Moose

JetBlue does not have an in-house union. They are trying to get one voted in though.

E1Out

I know it's off topic - but real quick - who are the 2 carriers? What's the reason behind it? Thanks.