ToiletDuck

I like the idea of having to pass a urine test to get government aid. Beech1900 for Pres.

HDriver

A few thoughts....
1) Every member of Congress takes a drug AND alcohol test before her or she votes on a bill and also gets random testing as well.
2) Term limits for ALL
3) No more lobbyists.......Period

EAHINC

This is horrible news. I'm afraid this industry is now officially incurable and will never again regenerate deserving financial viability, prestige and glamour.

I wish all the furloughed UAL pilots the best.

EAHINC

Adlerdriver

YGBSM.

captjns

What you say is true for some contracted operations especially in India now a days. In 2005 average monthly pay for a 737-800 captain was in the range of $11,500 to $13,500. The pay then dropped to under $10,000 in 2006 and then raised slightly above that mark in 2007. Understanding the employment prospects in the US the pay has dropped again to an average of about $9,000 for new entrants. However for first officers, it would no doubt be a pay raise. As a side bar… cabin crew earn more money than first officers do in the US. The rosters range from multiple weeks or months on with straight days off increasing with the days away from home. I know it’s not like being home almost every night but at least there’s a good chance the family won’t forget who you are. When you call your significant other to tell them you are coming home, it’s not a warning for them to get their part time lover out of bed because you have been away for 6 months.

Pay has remained pretty stable in Korea, China and Japan and other Southeast Asian countries. Housing allowances, medical and life insurance, travel benefits to and from base are provided on guaranteed basis. It seems the rosters run 19 to 23 days on with 9 to 11 days off with same housing, insurance, and travel benefits.

Take note that it not unusual for more than one contracting agency representing the same airline. With that being said you need to research which contracting agency will pays the most and has the most liberal contract terms. Some contracting firms to look at are PARC, Direct Personnel, Rishworth, Brookfield, HAC to name a few. You can register your details directly with them. Pain the butt, but it has to be done… make a pot of coffee put on some good tunes and voila the electronic application is done!

Living quarters will range from a 4 to 5 star hotel to a single or shared apartment with transport to and from the airport in most cases.

I have found expat flying more enjoyable than flying for US carriers. No airline propaganda, or Union mantra or wasted dues, nice new equipment, excellent maintenance, free tickets to travel the world.

Lbell911

Here's a question I'm still kinda confused on reference the numbers. Below is the press release they sent out to all employees, it says they are giving notice to 1,450 pilot. But only 950 are active....so if I read this right does that mean they are actually F-Word 1,450 pilots???



Planned Reduction in Fleet by 100 Aircraft to Result in 950 Pilot Furloughs by Year-End 2009
Posted June 23, 2008

Today we announced initial details concerning the first wave of pilot furloughs resulting from our plans to take 100 aircraft from our mainline fleet due to record high oil prices and a softening U.S. economy. The first notices to furlough approximately 100 pilots for the flying month of September will be issued in mid-July.

By the end of 2009, when we expect to complete the full reduction of our 94 B737 aircraft and six B747s (see June 4 NewsReal), we anticipate the need to furlough approximately 950 active pilots. This process is one of the difficult but necessary steps we need to take to size our business appropriately to reflect the current market reality.

Due to the number of United pilots on military and personal leave, approximately 1450 furlough notices will be distributed over time in order to reduce our active pilot ranks by 950.

We currently are discussing with ALPA ways to reduce the number of involuntary furloughs, and we will communicate any agreements that result. With respect to frontline employees, we will identify what reductions are necessary as we finalize schedules. We will continue to explore financially and operationally viable alternatives to minimize the impact on employees with unions representing our employees.

As we previously announced, workforce reductions are occurring in every area of the company. Layoffs of salaried and management staffs have already begun in a number of departments. In flight operations, reductions of salaried and management employees are expected to begin in mid-July.

Additionally, Airport Operations and Onboard plan to announce their salaried and management layoffs this week. In total, the number of salaried and management positions at United will be reduced by 1400-1600 people.

Our competitors are facing similar decisions in response to this unprecedented environment. At last count, U.S. network carriers had announced plans to remove nearly 300 mainline aircraft from their fleets by the end of 2009 in order to reduce industry capacity. "

Selcall

He flies for American.

SKMarz

[QUOTE=Lbell911;410723]Here's a question I'm still kinda confused on reference the numbers. Below is the press release they sent out to all employees, it says they are giving notice to 1,450 pilot. But only 950 are active....so if I read this right does that mean they are actually F-Word 1,450 pilots???


Yes, 1450 furlough notices. Those include those on some type of leave. Even if you are on leave, if your the furloughs go to your number, your furloughed while on leave. It translates to 950 pilots who are currently flying. These numbers take us back to just shy the number and seniority of the first furlough. Someone else did some calculations and figured it misses it by 200 people.

Of course, if United's past behavior is any indicator of future behavior (and it usually is), by the time it is all said and done, if fuel prices continue at this price, it is very likely this furlough will eventually end up going deeper than current numbers.

SeamusTheHound

YGFSM!!!!

Not that I want to get started on a political segue (I do), but GWB has NEVER taken any action that would, at least intentionally, benefit airline pilots, or more generally, organized labor. He certainly would not get involved to interfere with a $130 million private-sector larceny that benefits fat cats (read Republican contributors).

Don't hold your breath.

jsled

I you say so Bob. I do recall a NWA pilot strike on Bill's watch that was pretty successful