UAL Furlough numbers out
06-23-2008, 03:45 PM
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Incorrect. Completely different situation at UAL than at CAL. Keep your chin up. Much progress was made in the last 24 hours to mitigate some or possibly all furloughs at CAL - I suggest you get involved or at least do some research before making statements like that.
06-23-2008, 03:51 PM
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06-23-2008, 03:56 PM
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Has it occurred to anyone that maybe, just maybe the reason UAL (and many other carriers) are not doing well is because their managers suck at running a business?
06-23-2008, 03:58 PM
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06-23-2008, 04:24 PM
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Either way, the public is still paying for it.
06-23-2008, 04:33 PM
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06-23-2008, 04:41 PM
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The good thing is that for those willing to go to Asia, a 737 and A320 types will pull nice salaries and contracts. This is because there IS a pilot shortage abroad. Try to remember the number of foreign companies worth going to 10 years ago. Maybe there will be conditions condusive to improving contracts next upswing. Good luck to all the UAL guys.
06-23-2008, 05:41 PM
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I am wondering the same thing. At some point, the industry will figure out quickly that no one is coming into this industry in the numbers they historically did. The regionals aren't able to fill classes, the military guys are staying in for their full 20, corporate guys are staying put. If and when the industry tries to recover, they may find that the mismanagement, greed, incompetence of the leaders and the boards could prevent the recovery because the new generation of flyers may not be there to staff the planes.
I remember in '99 flying with FOs at Comair whose average time as a new-hire was 4000+ hours. Now, Pinnacle and other airlines can't fill classes with guys who have temporary certificates. As the regionals downsize and those pilots go away, one has to wonder what will be left to fill the vacancies in the future.
My heart goes out to the UAL guys right now.
I remember in '99 flying with FOs at Comair whose average time as a new-hire was 4000+ hours. Now, Pinnacle and other airlines can't fill classes with guys who have temporary certificates. As the regionals downsize and those pilots go away, one has to wonder what will be left to fill the vacancies in the future.
My heart goes out to the UAL guys right now.
With the state of the industry, it's no wonder that so many good pilots are simply jumping ship and saying that it isn't worth it. Have we ever seen so many incompetent management "teams" in one industry ? Thanks Glen & your hand picked Board for a truly brilliant job of mis-managing what could have been a good, competitive airline. What ever happened to Stephen Wolf and more importantly, John Edwardson ? (We won't address ALPA's role in that last one !)
G'Luck UAL pilots !
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06-23-2008, 05:47 PM
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Best of luck to all those affected at United. Good group of people and watching what has transpired @ United over the last 7 years or so is the saddest thing I've seen in aviation in a long time. As always, they'll handle it allright (those furloughed) but I hope this time around they do something, legal or illegal who cares, to stick it to their management clowns. They bet the farm on a merger that never happened, didn't have a contigency plan, now the employees suffer for management's ineptitude. This after how many years spent organizing in Ch. 11, three?Heads oughta role.
It's a gosh darn tragedy...some of them have nearly 10 years longevity w/ the company and they'll be on their second furlough. I can't imagine what it's like to be in their shoes.
It's a gosh darn tragedy...some of them have nearly 10 years longevity w/ the company and they'll be on their second furlough. I can't imagine what it's like to be in their shoes.
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