Virgin America hits new LOW in pay!
02-24-2006, 08:20 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by zorba
to all those with wage insecurities!
personnally i'm ready to face up to the new reality of today, lower wages maybe! but at least i have a job that will put food on the table.
personnally i'm ready to face up to the new reality of today, lower wages maybe! but at least i have a job that will put food on the table.
What will you do when the current administration allows License Harmonization? (A pilot from any country came come to the US an fly/)
That 80K a year job you refer too will be history!
Let us all hope that Home Depot is hiring then!
02-24-2006, 09:11 AM
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Hum.......$300K a year flying for an overseas carrier........Please tell me oh Obi Wan. The things I've seen is'nt even half that much. Anywhere from 8500 - 9500 month for Capt, 5500 - 6800 month for FO. IASCO, Global Flyers, Hawaii Aviation, etc. 
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02-24-2006, 09:35 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by OldAg84
Does anybody have a feel for how Virgin Atlantic's pay compares with British Airways and BMI's?
02-24-2006, 09:44 AM
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Ok perhaphs 300k is abit much i was trying to make a point.
Why are all the "majors" in Bankruptcy protection? i personally would prefer to make 80-100k a yr every yr than to be laid off every 5 yrs end up at the bottom clawing my way up again just to be laid off again. it's great if you are already in the top 25% of pilots whom make the big wages and will probably not get laid off unless the company fold but what about the rest of us.
it is the market and the economy that dictates our wages not the pilots themselves.
10 yrs ago you wanted an electrician a plumber a carpenter you could find hundreds and pay them very litte, they were starving, now you can hardly get one to show up for a quote, they are makeing more money then they ever have! Suply and demand it's no different for our industry!
as i said you want to make the big bucks go over seas
Tax free us dollars, accomodations paid for interest free car loan, profit sharing( which i know has been up to 50000$ for one yr), medical, provident fund overtime, you ad it all up and i bet you it's pretty damn close.
I personally don't belive the induatry in North America can support the wages that some of us have come to expect.
you want the big buck go overseas
Emirates
CAPTAIN SALARY:
Monthly Salary
Starting Salary is Dhs 26,210 and is reviewed annually. (1 US$ = 3.66 UAE Dirhams). The salary is tax free.
Profit Sharing
The company has in the past few years paid a profit share bonus for all employees, which is dependent on company performance.
Annual Leave
42 days per year.
Provident Fund
Emirates provide a company sponsored Provident Fund.
Company Contributions:
First 10 years - 12% of basic salary
After 10 years - 15% of basic salary
Accommodation
Utility Allowance or Fully furnished accommodation (including water & electricity) is supplied.
Transport
All transport while on duty is supplied by the company. Additionally an interest free car loan is available for new joiners (Dhs 55,000).
Privilege Travel
Free air travel for employee, spouse and eligible dependant children once a year to the Annual Leave Destination. On other occasions, after a qualifying period, discounted travel is available
Singapore Airlines
EXPATRIATE B777 CAPTAIN IN SINGAPORE
EXPATRIATE A340 CAPTAIN IN SINGAPORE
Singapore Airlines invites applications for expatriate Captain positions on the B777 and A340-500 fleets in Singapore.
Training Bond
Pilots without a B777 or A340 type rating will be given conversion training, and are required to enter a training bond and provide a bank guarantee for a period of 5 years from completion of conversion training.
Monthly Basic Salary
S$8850 during ground and line training.
S$9300 thereafter.
Service Benefits And Allowances
Productivity Allowance/Flying Allowance:
Ranges from S$55 to S$220 per hour. Lump sum payment of S$500 per flight for Flight Duty Period (FDP) exceeding 16 hours.
Meal Allowance (Monthly Average):
Approximately S$1810 (B777) and S$1500 (A340-500)
Transport Allowance in Singapore:
S$29 per round trip.
Annual Wage Supplement:
Up to one month's basic salary, at the Company's discretion.
Profit Sharing Bonus:
Payable depending on Company's performance.
Privilege Travel:
Free air travel for employee, spouse and eligible dependants once a year.
Discounted travel on other occasions.
Annual Leave:
6 calendar weeks.
Other Benefits:
Medical/dental assistance for employees. Subsidised medical insurance for spouse and children.
Additional Benefits
Gratuity:
S$10,000 per completed year of service. Payable on completion of contract tenure.
House Rental Assistance:
A fixed lump-sum monthly house rental assistance of S$3100.
A maximum limit of S$1,400 per child per month for eligible dependents attending recognised schools.
Child Education Assistance:
A maximum limit of S$1,400 per child per month for eligible dependents attending recognised schools.
Why are all the "majors" in Bankruptcy protection? i personally would prefer to make 80-100k a yr every yr than to be laid off every 5 yrs end up at the bottom clawing my way up again just to be laid off again. it's great if you are already in the top 25% of pilots whom make the big wages and will probably not get laid off unless the company fold but what about the rest of us.
it is the market and the economy that dictates our wages not the pilots themselves.
10 yrs ago you wanted an electrician a plumber a carpenter you could find hundreds and pay them very litte, they were starving, now you can hardly get one to show up for a quote, they are makeing more money then they ever have! Suply and demand it's no different for our industry!
as i said you want to make the big bucks go over seas
Tax free us dollars, accomodations paid for interest free car loan, profit sharing( which i know has been up to 50000$ for one yr), medical, provident fund overtime, you ad it all up and i bet you it's pretty damn close.
I personally don't belive the induatry in North America can support the wages that some of us have come to expect.
you want the big buck go overseas
Emirates
CAPTAIN SALARY:
Monthly Salary
Starting Salary is Dhs 26,210 and is reviewed annually. (1 US$ = 3.66 UAE Dirhams). The salary is tax free.
Profit Sharing
The company has in the past few years paid a profit share bonus for all employees, which is dependent on company performance.
Annual Leave
42 days per year.
Provident Fund
Emirates provide a company sponsored Provident Fund.
Company Contributions:
First 10 years - 12% of basic salary
After 10 years - 15% of basic salary
Accommodation
Utility Allowance or Fully furnished accommodation (including water & electricity) is supplied.
Transport
All transport while on duty is supplied by the company. Additionally an interest free car loan is available for new joiners (Dhs 55,000).
Privilege Travel
Free air travel for employee, spouse and eligible dependant children once a year to the Annual Leave Destination. On other occasions, after a qualifying period, discounted travel is available
Singapore Airlines
EXPATRIATE B777 CAPTAIN IN SINGAPORE
EXPATRIATE A340 CAPTAIN IN SINGAPORE
Singapore Airlines invites applications for expatriate Captain positions on the B777 and A340-500 fleets in Singapore.
Training Bond
Pilots without a B777 or A340 type rating will be given conversion training, and are required to enter a training bond and provide a bank guarantee for a period of 5 years from completion of conversion training.
Monthly Basic Salary
S$8850 during ground and line training.
S$9300 thereafter.
Service Benefits And Allowances
Productivity Allowance/Flying Allowance:
Ranges from S$55 to S$220 per hour. Lump sum payment of S$500 per flight for Flight Duty Period (FDP) exceeding 16 hours.
Meal Allowance (Monthly Average):
Approximately S$1810 (B777) and S$1500 (A340-500)
Transport Allowance in Singapore:
S$29 per round trip.
Annual Wage Supplement:
Up to one month's basic salary, at the Company's discretion.
Profit Sharing Bonus:
Payable depending on Company's performance.
Privilege Travel:
Free air travel for employee, spouse and eligible dependants once a year.
Discounted travel on other occasions.
Annual Leave:
6 calendar weeks.
Other Benefits:
Medical/dental assistance for employees. Subsidised medical insurance for spouse and children.
Additional Benefits
Gratuity:
S$10,000 per completed year of service. Payable on completion of contract tenure.
House Rental Assistance:
A fixed lump-sum monthly house rental assistance of S$3100.
A maximum limit of S$1,400 per child per month for eligible dependents attending recognised schools.
Child Education Assistance:
A maximum limit of S$1,400 per child per month for eligible dependents attending recognised schools.
02-24-2006, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by zorba
to all those with wage insecurities!
last time i checked the "Majors" were all in Bankruptcy protection! this is a new world in aviation, the market can't support those wages anymore, airfares are at an all time low. Someone said "The word is A-320 Capt tops at 80K per year. (unofficial)" come on people this is not chiken feed either. you can't expect them to give the big wages right off the bat, It's a startup.
you don't like it and want your 300k a yr then go overseas that's the only place you'll find that anymore.
personnally i'm ready to face up to the new reality of today, lower wages maybe! but at least i have a job that will put food on the table.
It must be real easy to be critical sitting in you nice cockpit earning your high salary, try wearing my shoes! what would you have me say " sorry dear, my pride won't allow me to work for 80k a yr, i'm going to stay at Home Depot untill wages come up!
last time i checked the "Majors" were all in Bankruptcy protection! this is a new world in aviation, the market can't support those wages anymore, airfares are at an all time low. Someone said "The word is A-320 Capt tops at 80K per year. (unofficial)" come on people this is not chiken feed either. you can't expect them to give the big wages right off the bat, It's a startup.
you don't like it and want your 300k a yr then go overseas that's the only place you'll find that anymore.
personnally i'm ready to face up to the new reality of today, lower wages maybe! but at least i have a job that will put food on the table.
It must be real easy to be critical sitting in you nice cockpit earning your high salary, try wearing my shoes! what would you have me say " sorry dear, my pride won't allow me to work for 80k a yr, i'm going to stay at Home Depot untill wages come up!
02-24-2006, 10:52 AM
#37
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Oh Obi Zorba, if I'm not mistaken, your first $75k is free from US taxes only. But, that still equates to around $175k - $190K, if you want to live in camelland. Been to that area too many times to consider it. 
02-24-2006, 11:05 AM
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Position: A320 PIC
Posts: 34
dcpilot,
In another thread, you state you work for Pinnacle Airlines, so I assume you are rather new to this business.
When you find yourself unemployed (and in this business, you will) with bills to pay, a family to feed, and unemployment benefits coming to an end...I expect you to stick to your gun's and refuse to even consider working for a bottom feeder that only pays eighty large per year.
When that happens, your crude post might carry some weight. Until then, keep playing with your X-Box and leave the adults alone.
In another thread, you state you work for Pinnacle Airlines, so I assume you are rather new to this business.
When you find yourself unemployed (and in this business, you will) with bills to pay, a family to feed, and unemployment benefits coming to an end...I expect you to stick to your gun's and refuse to even consider working for a bottom feeder that only pays eighty large per year.
When that happens, your crude post might carry some weight. Until then, keep playing with your X-Box and leave the adults alone.
02-24-2006, 12:04 PM
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well said R1830toIAE2500
DCPilot did you think of that intellingent reply all by yourself or did your 2 yr old help you.
crewdawg52 why not read my entire post instead of just quoting to support your argument. don't forget the incl housing, the profit sharing(which i know has been as much as 50k us tax free) child education ret plan etc... i bet you it 's alot more that "190"
Like i said you want that kind of money go over there and make the sacrifice, but don't tell me to refuse a job for 80k /yr while you are in your flighdeck making whatever it is you make.
I do not belive the industry in North America can support the legacy carrier wages anymore.
i personally knew of a 767 CPT who would do 2 pairing a month to hong kong thats it and earn with all his perdiem etc 300k a yr in North America. is it any wonder nobody want to give this up! is it any wonder all the majors are in Bankrupcty protection. Not only do pilots want the big salary but they aren't even willing to work for it!
DCPilot did you think of that intellingent reply all by yourself or did your 2 yr old help you.
crewdawg52 why not read my entire post instead of just quoting to support your argument. don't forget the incl housing, the profit sharing(which i know has been as much as 50k us tax free) child education ret plan etc... i bet you it 's alot more that "190"
Like i said you want that kind of money go over there and make the sacrifice, but don't tell me to refuse a job for 80k /yr while you are in your flighdeck making whatever it is you make.
I do not belive the industry in North America can support the legacy carrier wages anymore.
i personally knew of a 767 CPT who would do 2 pairing a month to hong kong thats it and earn with all his perdiem etc 300k a yr in North America. is it any wonder nobody want to give this up! is it any wonder all the majors are in Bankrupcty protection. Not only do pilots want the big salary but they aren't even willing to work for it!
02-24-2006, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by zorba
well 1
i personally knew of a 767 CPT who would do 2 pairing a month to hong kong thats it and earn with all his perdiem etc 300k a yr in North America. is it any wonder nobody want to give this up! is it any wonder all the majors are in Bankrupcty protection. Not only do pilots want the big salary but they aren't even willing to work for it!
i personally knew of a 767 CPT who would do 2 pairing a month to hong kong thats it and earn with all his perdiem etc 300k a yr in North America. is it any wonder nobody want to give this up! is it any wonder all the majors are in Bankrupcty protection. Not only do pilots want the big salary but they aren't even willing to work for it!
I ask again...............What airline today pays it's CAPTs 300K/year?
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