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06-01-2008, 04:05 PM
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A cruise ship captain makes a boat load of cash (no pun intended). You figure he hauls 3000 people per week. We probably haul not far from that really depending on the size of the plane, etc. Outsourcing pilots will never fly.
06-01-2008, 04:32 PM
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06-01-2008, 04:48 PM
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We're doing just fine driving wages lower without the help of third country pilots. Once age 65 gets going full steam, wages will go even lower than they are today. I wouldn't be surprised if a six figure income as a pilot in the US becomes a rarity within the next decade.
Now here's the quandary - how would an airline find a bunch of skilled airline pilots in a third world country? I swear; the people who suggest such tripe must never have traveled to a third world country. There's a reason why they're third world countries.
06-01-2008, 07:18 PM
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"the people who suggest such tripe must never have traveled to a third world country."
It was a "tongue in cheek" comment. Hope it never happens. Have talked to a few pilots from other countries[years ago], who said they would do my job for 50% less. Such countries as the Philippines, Venezuela, Mexico and Hungary among others visited may or may not be 3rd world. All I'm saying is don't let "cabotage" get its nose under the tent flap. You seem to be right in the comment about we are our own worst enemy. Keep hearing about pilot shortages in the US. But with the new less than desirous wages being paid, I can understand why the shortage.
It was a "tongue in cheek" comment. Hope it never happens. Have talked to a few pilots from other countries[years ago], who said they would do my job for 50% less. Such countries as the Philippines, Venezuela, Mexico and Hungary among others visited may or may not be 3rd world. All I'm saying is don't let "cabotage" get its nose under the tent flap. You seem to be right in the comment about we are our own worst enemy. Keep hearing about pilot shortages in the US. But with the new less than desirous wages being paid, I can understand why the shortage.
06-01-2008, 08:06 PM
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Have talked to a few pilots from other countries[years ago], who said they would do my job for 50% less. Such countries as the Philippines, Venezuela, Mexico and Hungary among others visited may or may not be 3rd world. All I'm saying is don't let "cabotage" get its nose under the tent flap. You seem to be right in the comment about we are our own worst enemy. Keep hearing about pilot shortages in the US. But with the new less than desirous wages being paid, I can understand why the shortage.
Cabotage cuts both ways. The US is no longer leading the world in wages.
Pilot shortages in the US? You've been around the business long enough to know that's BS. In spite of wages decreasing, there are more than enough pilots out there to ensure that wages will continue on a downward spiral. Just wait until this time next year when there are a ton of pilots on furlough.
06-01-2008, 09:10 PM
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Louisiana-licensed river pilots who guide foreign-flagged ships on the lower Mississippi are very well paid. The three powerful unions involved protect their legislated monopolies with massive political contributions. 
06-01-2008, 10:12 PM
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06-01-2008, 10:48 PM
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It's not Air France flying from one part of the US to another that you should be concerned with. Depending on who the POTUS is, the concern is Virgin or Air China pilots flying in the U.S. If the POTUS is the kind of guy/gal who is a friend to big business, inserting cheap labor to the U.S. market is something he would allow. If he is a friend to labor, he would block it.
06-02-2008, 05:56 AM
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It's not Air France flying from one part of the US to another that you should be concerned with. Depending on who the POTUS is, the concern is Virgin or Air China pilots flying in the U.S. If the POTUS is the kind of guy/gal who is a friend to big business, inserting cheap labor to the U.S. market is something he would allow. If he is a friend to labor, he would block it.
We, US pilots, are the cheap labor in terms of airline pilots.
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