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05-28-2008, 06:31 AM

#81

reCALcitrant

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Let me get this straight. They would furlough 200 guys to save $6,000,000 in a year ($30,000x200 people)?? Some of them have no medical hense, no cost. YGBFSM! This is the dumbest way to save money and the quickest way to have an employee group that doesn't give a **** about the company! We were hiring until March I think. Nice planning! Exactly why we should never give in to what these bastards want. Our jobs mean nothing to them.

05-28-2008, 06:35 AM

#82

757Driver

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You want to get really upset check out the NC's supposed openers. Larry and friends are laughing their collective asses off at that document.

Time to join the APA.

05-28-2008, 07:54 AM

#83

reCALcitrant

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Originally Posted by 757Driver

You want to get really upset check out the NC's supposed openers. Larry and friends are laughing their collective asses off at that document.

Time to join the APA.

Where can you get a copy? We better not give up a damn thing. We should hold out for 5 years if we have to. Get the back pay and hit a homerun contract. Don't be in a hurry or settle for less than anything than FED, UPS, or SW has.

05-28-2008, 08:49 AM

#84

Ottopilot

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It's not worth reading. It is too generic and says nothing but "goals" that are non specific and vague. I hope we see something real before the TA.

05-28-2008, 11:13 AM

#85

Jet Whiner

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Originally Posted by reCALcitrant

SHACK!!! Plumbers out there making $90 an hour to unclog turds from toilets. I think I have the mental capacity to do it. I am in 3rd year pay and still could make more at many other jobs. Never be afraid to go back to "work" for a living. If you are, it makes you weak and suceptable (sp?) to threats from the execs. Stand tall boys!!

I'm thrilled to hear the attitude of the "new blood" on campus. Let's hope the dumping on pilots meets some resistance for once.

05-28-2008, 01:19 PM

#86

757Driver

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I've had that attitude for over 20 years but it hasn't proved to be very contagious.

05-28-2008, 01:26 PM

#87

Spaceman Spliff

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Originally Posted by Jet Whiner

I'm thrilled to hear the attitude of the "new blood" on campus. Let's hope the dumping on pilots meets some resistance for once.

Not bloody likely. They "new blood" is too busy trying to figure out how to afford heath care for their families, and how to apply for food stamps.

Good job, senior CAL guys. I hope you get yours soon.

05-28-2008, 01:42 PM

#88

CHQ Pilot

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Originally Posted by reCALcitrant

Not that your logic is too far off given the magnitude of increases in fuel costs, but the cost of an employee is far greater than the straight pay. I don't know anything about the CAL structure, but you would have also have to look at the cost of insurance and benefits, cost of continued training, cost of any pay step increases, etc to get a true value on what it costs a company to keep an employee hired without a need. Does CAL bring pilots back with longevity increases as if you had never left if they put them on the street? In tough financial times, the bean counters take over and look for every possible way to save a buck disregarding company morale or a long term strategy. Hope this all works out soon.

05-28-2008, 02:24 PM

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757Driver

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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff

What a ridiculous thing to say. I've been here for 20 years and have been fighting tooth and nail to change the scab mentality around here.

Should I hope that all junior people get furloughed just because I've flown with a few jerk-off F/O's?

Its half-baked statements like yours that create division amongst the ranks Space-boy.

05-28-2008, 02:29 PM

#90

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Last month at the Kellener/Moran meeting. They stated that furloughing new pilots for less than 18mos was more expensive than keeping them on the property. Speaks volumes of our contract. I'm not too worried though, furloughs are always a threat during contract negotiations. And correct me if I'm wrong, but we are still a growing airline at the end of said 18 months. If management were smart, they'd furlough the bottom 2,000 guys for the duration of TA voting. They'd get exactly what they wanted from the union...again. I'm hoping for some "Killer B", A/A style, from the new guys next year. If any of the B's have any reflection, I'd love to hear it.