JetPiedmont

Is that starting to happen where you are? I ask only because of where you are, our industry's version of Camelot.

Riddler

Some highly speculative math in public: 105 737-300 & 737-500 jets to possibly park.
737 orders for 2008: I'm guessing that we're getting another 15 or so jets this year to make 33 total
737s in 2009: 24
737s for 2010: 10
I'm not even going to guess about the 787 deliveries.

The net change: minus 55 jets. I'm not sure what the crew ratios are or how many pilots that equates to.

Also not sure how many retirements will happen.

Surely ALPA will help me put food on the table.

A320fumes

I don't think the intent is to park all 48 300's. Think they would scrap all 500's if possible. How does that affect our intn'l feed? esp with widebodies coming. Ceding market-share is not the answer right now. 300's with winglets are at least market neutral when providing int'l feed. The company hasn't even expressed the desire to park all of the 300's. I think they have a lot more desire to use furlough as a scare tactic to get the kind of contracts that they are used too. Furlough is tough, but bearible. I got furloughed and made twice as much money as I would have working for CAL in year 1-2. During my last furlough, I made more than I make as a CAL 73 Captain now. As a pilot group, we need to let them know that if they furlough the most junior of us, They will have to pay more in the long haul, ie respectable contract. We should fight for every pilot to stay on the property. If we can't achieve that, we should cover their health insurance & travel benefits. Don't just roll over this time. If we don't eat our young, as in the past, they can return to real careers. And our ability to suck it up might actually cause some of these 64.5 year olds to leave. At their time.

WEACLRS

I worked through the math a couple of days ago. As of June PBS there are:

5079 total pilots on the seniority list
4912 pilots are flying in June

2908 pilots on the 737
1417 pilots on the 756
587 pilots on the 777

If the count of aircraft on APC is correct, then there are 10.8 pilots flying per 737, 16.9 pilots flying per 756, and 29.4 pilots flying per 777. This should be pretty close.

reCALcitrant

Now that's the kind of talk I like to hear! I don't care what oil costs, what this and that costs. I care that we have the best work rules, the highest pay, and the best overall contract of any airline out there. The rest I really don't care about. New hires should have benefits from day 1. First year pay about $65/hour. Look at the Fedex contract..take a snapshot and write CAL at the top. Done. Anything less is unnacceptable. Oil will drop back down and management will be laughing in our faces if we've signed some bull**** contract. Drag it out until we get what we want!

bertramcheeks22

Fact: All 300s are being eliminated before all 500s

deceptibum

I agree with reCAL, I am one of the many, many post 2005 guys and will not settle for anything less than what we deserve. Threats of Furlough are inevitable, but remember that even if it comes true, it is temporary. Remember, we were about to continue the huge retirements here. This added 5 years is just a POTENTIAL 5 years for everyone. Can you imagine a junior 59 year old 737 captain flying those type of schedules for another POTENTIAL 5 years. No way...at most I see the worst case scenario as being another 1-2 years of stagnation and hiring/movement will continue full steam just as it has been. Therefore, we cannot let ourselves to be locked in to a sub-par contract.

Legacypilot

Any Pilot out there who is approaching 60 and has an A-Fund...should be taking the money and running. In todays market a company could file bankruptcy and its all gone. As many have said...most of this is contract scare tactics and many will cave in to the rumor mill. Stand firm...if you want improvement! See you all in IAH on 11 Jun.

flybynuts

I personally have flown with 5 60 guys, (2 from training) and all are punching soon for the same thing you mention Legacy. One training guy told me that they expect over 200 age 60 guys to punch with the ealry outs and/or this year.

Daytripper

Just wondering aloud, but since we are in negotiations, the furlough leverage only threatens the bottom half of the list, could they,(management), use the "A" plan as some sort of leverage..........say, for scope relaxaton??? Does a company have to be in bankruptcy to de-value the A plan in any way? I know a furlough affects the whole airline.....but the company is always looking for leverage.......that, I'm sure of.