Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major
Aloha Airlines to shut down pax ops tomorrow >

Aloha Airlines to shut down pax ops tomorrow

Search

Notices
Major Legacy, National, and LCC

Aloha Airlines to shut down pax ops tomorrow

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-31-2008, 07:21 AM
  #41  
New boss = Old boss
 
mike734's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: Ca B737
Posts: 2,762
Default

Originally Posted by Led Zep
So if Alaska drops another MD-80 into the ocean due to faulty maintenance, should the company be shut down by the feds?
I already addressed that. The corporate officers responsible should be held accountable.
mike734 is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 07:27 AM
  #42  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 440
Default

Originally Posted by mike734
Led, Do you even know what cabatage is? Cargo will be the first segment of the industry to experience it. It happened to the US shipping industry. It is happening right now in the US trucking industry. Airlines are vulnerable.
Are UPS or FedEx just "airlines"? No. UPS for example is a fully integrated, transportation conglomerate. In other words, UPS and FedEx aren't just simply cargo airlines. Each has a dedicated product/service and a very large integrated transportation network that is fully vested worldwide to satisfy specific needs of the customer base. It would be different if either of them were competing strictly for heavy-lift type cargo, such as is seen on the ad-hoc and ACMI side of the industry. Both companies are not only giants domestically, but also on the worldwide stage.

So if Brand X from China wants to carry heavy freight from one U.S. airport to another, it will not affect us the same way that it would an ACMI or ad-hoc cargo airline.
Led Zep is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 07:27 AM
  #43  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 440
Default

Originally Posted by mike734
I already addressed that. The corporate officers responsible should be held accountable.
....Noted.
Led Zep is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 07:31 AM
  #44  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: dogstyle
Posts: 375
Default

Originally Posted by Led Zep
I have to disagree with your second sentence, unless the company in question is operating in a manner that violates the law - then all bets are off.

Mesa may be a bottom feeder, but people are still purchasing their product and people are still going to them for employment. I'm not in any way trying to promote their product (because I personally wouldn't elect to travel on them), but simply pointing out that the flying public is still choosing them.
The formation of the go! operation from the get-go was a violation of the law backed up by a huge judgement in court for HAL in regards to illegally obtaining HAL pricing info. Now in addition Aloha is bringing an anti-trust lawsuit against go! which, correct me if I'm wrong lawdogs, being an anti-trust suit any judgement is in treble meaning any monitary judgement levied is tripled in anti-trust cases. Now, to try and just sweep this all aside by saying that the flying public is still choosing them and folks are still seeking employment from them is EXACTLY what scumbags like JO like to see and count on to continue their rape of the good people in Hawaii and the airline industry as a whole. Its a very foolish vision.
WhizWheel is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 07:40 AM
  #45  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 440
Default

Originally Posted by WhizWheel
The formation of the go! operation from the get-go was a violation of the law backed up by a huge judgement in court for HAL in regards to illegally obtaining HAL pricing info. Now in addition Aloha is bringing an anti-trust lawsuit against go! which, correct me if I'm wrong lawdogs, being an anti-trust suit any judgement is in treble meaning any monitary judgement levied is tripled in anti-trust cases. Now, to try and just sweep this all aside by saying that the flying public is still choosing them and folks are still seeking employment from them is EXACTLY what scumbags like JO like to see and count on to continue their rape of the good people in Hawaii and the airline industry as a whole. Its a very foolish vision.
Now, to try and just sweep this all aside by saying that the flying public is still choosing them and folks are still seeking employment from them is EXACTLY what scumbags like JO like to see and count on to continue their rape of the good people in Hawaii and the airline industry as a whole.
Sorry if you misinterpreted my response as trying to sweep this all on the sidelines, that was far from my intent. I was specifically pointing out that the consumer is still choosing to use go!, and people are still seeking them for employment. I also noted in a previous post that I would not purchase the services of Mesa, I would be willing to pay more on another carrier. But that is another topic for another day.

The formation of the go! operation from the get-go was a violation of the law backed up by a huge judgement in court for HAL in regards to illegally obtaining HAL pricing info.
I have also noted on several occasions that businesses need to play by the rules. If they can't play nice in the sandbox, then yes, they do deserve the penalty bestowed upon them by breaking the law.
Led Zep is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 07:59 AM
  #46  
Gets Weekends Off
 
captjns's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
Posts: 6,008
Default Aloha to Aloha

http://consumerist.com/373995/aloha-...eases-to-exist

I hope the guys and gals are able to find employment during these turbulent times. Good luck to all of them.
captjns is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 08:30 AM
  #47  
Gets Weekends Off
 
SaltyDog's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: Leftof longitudinal
Posts: 1,899
Default

Originally Posted by mike734
Come on all you free market proponents. Isn't this a good thing? It's healthy competition right? So what for the people at Aloha? They will get jobs elsewhere. The Govt. certainly shouldn't interfere. There is WAY too much regulation already...bla bla bla.

Come on guy, you know who you are. Your silence is deafening. Maybe we'll hear from you when they come for your airline.

Pathetic.
It was illegal (thus unhealthy) competition as per the court decisions already on the Go operation. Mesa broke existing law, no further regulation needed. Didn't want you to think I was silent. I was busy being an ethical, law abiding capitalist <g>

Last edited by SaltyDog; 03-31-2008 at 08:38 AM.
SaltyDog is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 08:36 AM
  #48  
Gets Weekends Off
 
the King's Avatar
 
Joined APC: May 2007
Position: JS32 FO
Posts: 848
Default

"This press release contains various forward-looking statements that are based on management's beliefs, as well as assumptions made by and information currently available to management. Although the Company believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are reasonable; it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Such statements are subject to certain risks, uncertainties and assumptions. Should one or more of these risks or uncertainties materialize, or should underlying assumptions prove incorrect, actual results may vary materially from those anticipated, estimated, projected or expected."

That statement is so fitting for a company that exists purely to spite others and ruin many for the gain of a few. I don't look at many press releases, but I've never seen a statement quite like that.
the King is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 09:22 AM
  #49  
New boss = Old boss
 
mike734's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: Ca B737
Posts: 2,762
Default

Originally Posted by SaltyDog
It was illegal (thus unhealthy) competition as per the court decisions already on the Go operation. Mesa broke existing law, no further regulation needed. Didn't want you to think I was silent. I was busy being an ethical, law abiding capitalist <g>
I also mentioned oversight being as necessary as regulation.

Last edited by mike734; 03-31-2008 at 09:51 AM. Reason: clarity
mike734 is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 09:41 AM
  #50  
Need More Callouts
 
757Driver's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: Unbridled Enthusiasm
Posts: 2,143
Default

Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop
Isn't there some HR person to blame for hiring JO at CAL way back when?
Nope,

Air LA around twenty years ago.
757Driver is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
vagabond
Aviation Law
10
09-20-2008 12:50 PM
redbaron84
Major
1
12-25-2005 09:49 PM
RockBottom
Major
1
12-08-2005 06:50 AM
Sir James
Major
1
07-17-2005 08:47 PM
WatchThis!
Major
0
07-10-2005 03:55 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices