Aloha Airlines to shut down pax ops tomorrow
03-31-2008, 06:50 AM
#31
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To everyone at ALOHA, our thoughts will go with you in your chosen path. ALOHA is a legacy in Hawaii and should remain intact. I am not encouraging Mesa to go belly-up, but I am all for the executives at Mesa to slowly burn in hell in the most punishing form. While the employees of ALOHA are desperately looking for work, The scumbag (go, Jo whatever they call themselves) executives are busy deciding what lavish resturaunt they will meet at tonite and probably celebrate. You never want someone to loose their job. But to those at ALOHA, you are Ohana and we will pray for someone to step in and recover what is a legacy in Hawaii. I apologize but it is dispicable how the middle class and poor everyday are getting F----- more and more while the execs which are part of the lucky sperm club get away with a slow 1st degree murder of the innocent. Thats all I have to say..
03-31-2008, 06:52 AM
#32
New boss = Old boss
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So Mesa wins. For the Hawaiian and Island Air pilots who remain, the tensions with go! pilots on the ramp will become palpable and volatile. This is not just "free market enterprise", this is real people's lives being shattered. This is our friends and famililies at Aloha being thrown out on the street with their children. This is our friends going from winning a great contract one day, to having nothing the next. This is a war, and the Enemy has won the first decisive battle. As the face of the Enemy, you will now be openly derided by many. Rightfully. You, the Enemy, have injured us, our friends and our families, and will not be forgiven. But remember, before it starts getting crazy here, that it is the Enemy, your company and organization that we hate; not you, personally. We don't even know you, personally. So, please forgive myself and my brethren our transgresses as the emotions begin to flare in the coming days. Remember, it's not about YOU, it's about the Enemy; Mesa and JO. All YOU have done is REPRESENT it. But as long as you REPRESENT the force that tore our lives apart here, you will receive this animosity. Rightfully.
Just don't take it personally. Aloha.
Just don't take it personally. Aloha.
BTW I don't think any Mesa pilots should be held responsible for the deplorable acts of J.O. I encourage them to get some time and get the heck out.
Mike,
I have a good friend who just went down the tubes with Aloha and this is the second shut down he and his family have had to endure. My sympathy to all the Aloha employees and their families! For the life of me I don't get your point here (pure and simple flame-baiting?) except you are arguing for reregulation I suppose. I would argue that the villain is not a "true" free market but Ornstein and his cronies.
Perhaps you have some socialist suggestions to fix the airline industry? Government intervention to expedite mergers? A bailout by the government? Oh! that already happened and has only kept weak players alive and drained the life out of those that were viable. Thus delaying the inevitable consequences some may now be facing. I thank the Lord every day for my job (but only the one represented by the Cross in your avatar) because I know nothing in life is quaranteed, including life time employment. Who might you thank for your job, the government? Now that is pathetic!
Please enlighten us all with your worldly advice.
Your friend,
Oscar
I have a good friend who just went down the tubes with Aloha and this is the second shut down he and his family have had to endure. My sympathy to all the Aloha employees and their families! For the life of me I don't get your point here (pure and simple flame-baiting?) except you are arguing for reregulation I suppose. I would argue that the villain is not a "true" free market but Ornstein and his cronies.
Perhaps you have some socialist suggestions to fix the airline industry? Government intervention to expedite mergers? A bailout by the government? Oh! that already happened and has only kept weak players alive and drained the life out of those that were viable. Thus delaying the inevitable consequences some may now be facing. I thank the Lord every day for my job (but only the one represented by the Cross in your avatar) because I know nothing in life is quaranteed, including life time employment. Who might you thank for your job, the government? Now that is pathetic!
Please enlighten us all with your worldly advice.
Your friend,
Oscar
Yes I think more regulation would benefit all of us. And yes I think better oversight and enforcement of current anti-competitive law is needed. I'm not a big "govt. can fix everything" guy but I do believe corporate officers should be held personally to account for corporate malfeasance. J.O. and his cronies should not be allowed to skirt the ragged edge of the law (and step over sometimes) and drive a 65 year old airline out of business. The old argument against monopolies applies here. What do you think will happen to the $10 fares now? You think Go! might raise prices now? Yeah, I do to.
The question of govt. regulation is very complex but I think the airline industry where safety and reliability are paramount is one industry begging for some adult supervision.
03-31-2008, 06:54 AM
#33
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Mesa may be a bottom feeder, but people are still purchasing their product and people are still going to them for employment. I'm not in any way trying to promote their product (because I personally wouldn't elect to travel on them), but simply pointing out that the flying public is still choosing them.
03-31-2008, 06:59 AM
#34
New boss = Old boss
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I have to disagree with your second sentence, unless the company in question is operating in a manner that violates the law - then all bets are off.
Mesa may be a bottom feeder, but people are still purchasing their product and people are still going to them for employment. I'm not in any way trying to promote their product (because I personally wouldn't elect to travel on them), but simply pointing out that the flying public is still choosing them.
Mesa may be a bottom feeder, but people are still purchasing their product and people are still going to them for employment. I'm not in any way trying to promote their product (because I personally wouldn't elect to travel on them), but simply pointing out that the flying public is still choosing them.
03-31-2008, 07:02 AM
#35
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Locomoco, I'm not sure how to answer you but I notice you are relatively new on this forum. I'm asking a rhetorical question to make the point that I believe more regulation is needed in this industry. There are many on this forum that are very conservative politically, strict free business capitalists and completely unsympathetic to my "socialist" views. They know who they are and they are yet to post in this thread. I'm calling them out.
BTW I don't think any Mesa pilots should be held responsible for the deplorable acts of J.O. I encourage them to get some time and get the heck out.
Oscar, my reasons for posting are described above. I too have a friend, (more of an friendly acquaintance) affected by this shut down. He is in his mid 40's, just about the worst time to start over. He will land on his feet though. I wish him and all the rest of the Aloha pilots the best.
Yes I think more regulation would benefit all of us. And yes I think better oversight and enforcement of current anti-competitive law is needed. I'm not a big "govt. can fix everything" guy but I do believe corporate officers should be held personally to account for corporate malfeasance. J.O. and his cronies should not be allowed to skirt the ragged edge of the law (and step over sometimes) and drive a 65 year old airline out of business. The old argument against monopolies applies here. What do you think will happen to the $10 fares now? You think Go! might raise prices now? Yeah, I do to.
The question of govt. regulation is very complex but I think the airline industry where safety and reliability are paramount is one industry begging for some adult supervision.
BTW I don't think any Mesa pilots should be held responsible for the deplorable acts of J.O. I encourage them to get some time and get the heck out.
Oscar, my reasons for posting are described above. I too have a friend, (more of an friendly acquaintance) affected by this shut down. He is in his mid 40's, just about the worst time to start over. He will land on his feet though. I wish him and all the rest of the Aloha pilots the best.
Yes I think more regulation would benefit all of us. And yes I think better oversight and enforcement of current anti-competitive law is needed. I'm not a big "govt. can fix everything" guy but I do believe corporate officers should be held personally to account for corporate malfeasance. J.O. and his cronies should not be allowed to skirt the ragged edge of the law (and step over sometimes) and drive a 65 year old airline out of business. The old argument against monopolies applies here. What do you think will happen to the $10 fares now? You think Go! might raise prices now? Yeah, I do to.
The question of govt. regulation is very complex but I think the airline industry where safety and reliability are paramount is one industry begging for some adult supervision.
Of course Virgin America might be the most PC since the parent company is working on "clean" fuels.
03-31-2008, 07:05 AM
#36
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Position: Sabre 60
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Surprise! Go increases flights to meet demand.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080331/lam099.html?.v=101
Starting April 1st (hmm!), they will increase their departures from 54 to 94 per day!
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080331/lam099.html?.v=101
Starting April 1st (hmm!), they will increase their departures from 54 to 94 per day!
03-31-2008, 07:06 AM
#37
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Posts: 440
Well bring on cabatage. I'm sure some third world cargo operators can fly an MD-11 full of cargo MUCH cheaper than FedEx or UPS.
Let the global market work!
Last edited by Led Zep; 03-31-2008 at 07:31 AM.
03-31-2008, 07:14 AM
#38
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There are many on this forum that are very conservative politically, strict free business capitalists and completely unsympathetic to my "socialist" views.
Last edited by Led Zep; 03-31-2008 at 07:31 AM.
03-31-2008, 07:17 AM
#39
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Position: 737 FO
Posts: 294
Surprise! Go increases flights to meet demand.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080331/lam099.html?.v=101
Starting April 1st (hmm!), they will increase their departures from 54 to 94 per day!
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080331/lam099.html?.v=101
Starting April 1st (hmm!), they will increase their departures from 54 to 94 per day!
03-31-2008, 07:18 AM
#40
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Position: Ca B737
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Led, Do you even know what cabatage is? Cargo will be the first segment of the industry to experience it. It happened to the US shipping industry. It is happening right now in the US trucking industry. Airlines are vulnerable.
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