Passenger Dies On American Airlines Flight
02-25-2008, 12:12 PM
#32
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EWR has a point. Having shipped a loved one's body 500 miles home, I know it can get expensive. Unfortunately, I can't recall the cost, but I know one funeral home was even substantially higher than I paid (funny but inappropriate story behind that fact
). The funeral home handled it, so I don't know how she went, etc.
That said, I'm not sure I would want to be looking at a poor corpse for three extra hours. Darned if you do, darned if you don't I guess....
). The funeral home handled it, so I don't know how she went, etc.That said, I'm not sure I would want to be looking at a poor corpse for three extra hours. Darned if you do, darned if you don't I guess....
02-25-2008, 12:23 PM
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No I am not a judge. All I know about this case is this article and the updated one on Foxnews.com with an update from an AA spokeswoman. Put me on a jury with only these two articles to base my decision off of and right now I'd say American has no fault in this womans death.
02-25-2008, 12:49 PM
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HSLD stated that there are SOP's that FA's must follow when a pax requests O2. I do agree that procedures should be followed, however, in this case my thing is this, if a pax states several times that they are having trouble breathing, then personally I believe the FA should have been Johnny-On-Spot and granted the pax request. No questions asked.
In the end, the truth will come out. If the FA is found to be negligent, then AMR has a problem....a big problem.
atp
In the end, the truth will come out. If the FA is found to be negligent, then AMR has a problem....a big problem.
atp
02-25-2008, 02:30 PM
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Well, how much is a "deceased" person worth at this point? It costs a lot of money to divert these days, not to mention the number of passengers who'd be missing connections, business meetings, etc., because of this incident. Once a person is dead, there's not much else to do other than "carry on" with the rest of the flight. Sounds cold, I know, but if you do divert,then you'd have all the "other" passengers to worry about. This becomes a nightmare for the airline regardless of what happens. The deceased person was going to JFK in the first place, so diverting to MIA just leaves the person/family member to worry about getting to NYC. After diverting, the family will be calling AMR wondering why they landed and left their "loved one" in MIA when their family is in NYC. Our job is transport passengers to their destinations. What happens enroute sometimes creates hardships on our passengers, but inconveniencing a WHOLE plane for someone who's transpired probably isn't in the best interest of the company. It's hard to second guess the crew. I'm thinking they did a fine job in a DIFFICULT situation. JMHO..............
Is this how cold and emotionless we have become? How much is a deceased person worth?! Come on man. Is the bottom line really that important? With family members on the plane arrangements could have been made. Besides I'm pretty sure AA could have reaccomodated them, I think they have one or two flights out of Miami. Perhaps I am just splitting hairs here but I do think its odd to continue another two hours with a dead body just in the name of arriving at your destination.
Just ask yourself...What Would Clark Griswold Do?
02-25-2008, 02:44 PM
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If the family were to sue, do they have ground for a tort case? AA has a duty to transport safely, and could possibly be found negligent by not providing O2 when she obviously needed it. Vagabond is a lawyer right? What's the professional opinion?
02-25-2008, 02:52 PM
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I know that we cannot place much, if any, credibility in media reports these days. That said, IF this woman asked for and was denied oxygen, I think that is a major faux pas regardless of any potential lawsuit. The rest of this post is based purely on the preceeding sentence; It is strictly hypothetical as I do not have the facts pertaining to the AA flight.
For those of us on the pax side of this industry, everyday we transport grandmas, grandpas, aunts, uncles etc. and they are people (undoubtebly important to some anonymous family) and not a number, incident, or an expense.
I don't have any hard data on this, but it stands to reason that therapeutic O2 is carried aboard is for cases such as this. I would imagine that the vast majority of people who have needed oxygen in-flight have had a pre-existing condition- whether it be a heart-condition, asthma and/or others. I think that is the reason O2 is a requirement. It sounds like some of you are saying that this woman deserved to have died this way because she went with a pre-existing condition. How would you feel if this were your mother, grandmother etc.? Would callousness still prevail?
I am not for huge lawsuit payouts and I know that if this were my relative, no amount of money could erase the pain of watching a loved one suffocate to death.
On a related note, I overheard on (some random airline's) ops frequency recently a flight crew making a request for drinking water to be catered on the flight. Ops' response-'company directive states catering is done once per day only'. I think this flight was a transcon...thoughts?
For those of us on the pax side of this industry, everyday we transport grandmas, grandpas, aunts, uncles etc. and they are people (undoubtebly important to some anonymous family) and not a number, incident, or an expense.
I don't have any hard data on this, but it stands to reason that therapeutic O2 is carried aboard is for cases such as this. I would imagine that the vast majority of people who have needed oxygen in-flight have had a pre-existing condition- whether it be a heart-condition, asthma and/or others. I think that is the reason O2 is a requirement. It sounds like some of you are saying that this woman deserved to have died this way because she went with a pre-existing condition. How would you feel if this were your mother, grandmother etc.? Would callousness still prevail?
I am not for huge lawsuit payouts and I know that if this were my relative, no amount of money could erase the pain of watching a loved one suffocate to death.
On a related note, I overheard on (some random airline's) ops frequency recently a flight crew making a request for drinking water to be catered on the flight. Ops' response-'company directive states catering is done once per day only'. I think this flight was a transcon...thoughts?
02-25-2008, 04:14 PM
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Desir had complained of not feeling well and being very thirsty on the Friday flight from Port-au-Prince after she ate a meal, according to Antonio Oliver, a cousin who was traveling with her and her brother Joel Desir. A flight attendant gave her water, he said.
You all missed the obvious reason for her death she ate the airline food .
You all missed the obvious reason for her death she ate the airline food .
02-25-2008, 06:15 PM
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It doesn't matter....the family will probably get millions and all our costs get to go up to pay for it....but that's ok, cuz the family will be loaded and since money obviously replaces a loved one, all will be well for them. Oh ya, and another scumbag lawyer will become rich too! Sad sad sad.
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