DAL MEC talks about Mergers
01-09-2008, 08:46 PM
#31
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"That was a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection."
"OVERRULED!"
First to get the reference won't be furloughed.
You make for fine reading but no way is ATL right sized to move international ops to MSP! Are you from there and wishfully thinking? I think it was your "bye bye ATL" comment that engendered the dismissive responses. Anywho, I think CVG and MEM would be in more jeopardy.
"OVERRULED!"
First to get the reference won't be furloughed.
You make for fine reading but no way is ATL right sized to move international ops to MSP! Are you from there and wishfully thinking? I think it was your "bye bye ATL" comment that engendered the dismissive responses. Anywho, I think CVG and MEM would be in more jeopardy.
01-09-2008, 09:16 PM
#32
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Yep, sorry for fueling the fire. Had to get the show started. Never said move Int'l ops to MSP. My comment was in reference to the fact that MSP and DET can hold their own as far as Int'l ops is concerned. Besides, NWA has route authority to China from MSP and DET, can't just pick it up and move it to ATL. NWA isn't a small player that has nothing to bring to the table. Besides, the constant reference to ATL as the busiest hub is in reference to departures. According to records, DCI represents more departures than mainline. So, are all those RJ's needed to feed one hub when there are other hubs that are lucrative to the new entity? If so, then ATL will be "right-sized". Sorry for the bye bye comment. I'll be more sensitive for the audience in the future.
01-09-2008, 10:09 PM
#33
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3.Never said anything about ATL not being a viable hub. Only that DAL protects the fortress hub from other airlines infiltrating their bread and butter. ORD has two major players and is second on the list as the "World's" busiest. Don't you think two or more major players can and will exist at ATL in the near future. Why is DAL utilizing mainline gates for RJ's. My bet is, not enough utilization. ATL airport wants some gates back and DAL said nope we need them for our RJ's.
01-09-2008, 10:23 PM
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Besides, I think overall the government will not allow any combination of the Legacy's to join, however, I can see Alaska, Jet Blue, Frontier, Midwest being consumed by the Legacy's.
01-10-2008, 04:12 AM
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No problem. A couple of corrections though. I believe ATL has been the "busiest airport" for a few years now by any metric, not just departures, and DAL has China authority out of ATL as well. I think it's to be a 777lr run. While my hopes are admittedly and blatantly self-interested, I hope management's statements that any consolidation would only occur with Delta as the buyer, headquartered in ATL, and be called Delta turn out to be accurate.
It will be interesting to see if R. Anderson holds to his promise with regard to DAL being the acquirer, keeps the name Delta Air Lines and is HQ in ATL. That was his promise to several state reps. in GA especially Isakson. He stated unequivocally that DAL would remain in ATL and also be named Delta Air Lines. Isakson went so far as to ask RA to look him in the eye and tell him.
Found all this info on the net. All there for anyone to read. Keep the above in mind, may be telling of what kind of character RA exhibits, especially since DALPA wants contract improvements and equity as part of their approval for the "right" transaction. I believe any transaction that puts money in their pockets, especially the more senior folks, will be the "right" transaction.
Good luck to all of you, NWA and DAL. It will be interesting watching from the sidelines. I am going to keep track of things said and promises made. Lets see how this plays out and who kept their word.
01-10-2008, 05:10 AM
#37
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Why do all of you guys think that if they do merge that they will close cvg?? To my way of thinking they would keep that open due to the fact that the it is one of the most expensive places to fly out of as a passenger plus it's another airport that delta has complete control over, but I'm just a lowly pilot so what do I know
01-10-2008, 06:24 AM
#38
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I will retire in the top 30 either way.
Merging with any one makes me consider my career plans at DAL as well. Even if the seniority merge was done correctly. (Ratio to the 07 hires and DOH for us newbies) it still would be a difficult place to work.
Merging with any one makes me consider my career plans at DAL as well. Even if the seniority merge was done correctly. (Ratio to the 07 hires and DOH for us newbies) it still would be a difficult place to work.
01-10-2008, 06:27 AM
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I find it rather interesting that a few years back when CAL and NWA were talking, the justice department shut the talks down rather quickly saying that it would create too large of a carrier. Now they seem to have no problem creating the largest in the world.................
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01-10-2008, 06:34 AM
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Times change. The fact is that any merging on Legacies will have many hurdles to get over to win approval. That does not mean that they will not try.
Each execuitive branch knows that they are being forced in to a decision from multiple sources. ( Fuel, Bush leaving office, and the board members).
With all of this external pressure, it is only inevitable that someone tries. DAL will probably be the first that will announce, due to the fact that their board is stacked with people that want them to merge. IE hedge fund managers. I am sure that DAL has been fighting this tooth and nail, but at the end of the day they are squirrel's chasing a nut like us. They have people that they need to answer to as well.
Each execuitive branch knows that they are being forced in to a decision from multiple sources. ( Fuel, Bush leaving office, and the board members).
With all of this external pressure, it is only inevitable that someone tries. DAL will probably be the first that will announce, due to the fact that their board is stacked with people that want them to merge. IE hedge fund managers. I am sure that DAL has been fighting this tooth and nail, but at the end of the day they are squirrel's chasing a nut like us. They have people that they need to answer to as well.
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