AirTran Future Pay Rates?
12-11-2007, 10:10 AM
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12-11-2007, 11:13 AM
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No offense, tazzed..but as American finally recalls TWA's Capts and senior F/Os, I would venture that some will leave TRS to return to the evil empire.
On the other hand, TRS has given a good home to many, many TWA pilots and I can tell you first-hand that they are very appreciative of this...very appreciative.
FF
On the other hand, TRS has given a good home to many, many TWA pilots and I can tell you first-hand that they are very appreciative of this...very appreciative.
FF
12-11-2007, 11:29 AM
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O.K. F.F.
I have looked. with A.A's current pay scale I am still making more than a 6 year f.o. on the 75/76 by over $20,000. why would I come back????? To spend an the next 2 decades pulling gear???? no thanks.
the other big question is what this free skys crap is gonna bring. The legacies
main profit is in the international for now. All the LLC's are looking at it. Etops app. is on file all ready! so now we are coming for that as well. but the thing is are we going to be competing with very low paid pilots of international carriers flying city to city in the U.S. of A?? and some of these have their own gas as well. ie mexico and some of the South american kids.so cheap labor and cheap gas, not a good set up for us at all. thanks to the government again.
I have looked. with A.A's current pay scale I am still making more than a 6 year f.o. on the 75/76 by over $20,000. why would I come back????? To spend an the next 2 decades pulling gear???? no thanks.
the other big question is what this free skys crap is gonna bring. The legacies
main profit is in the international for now. All the LLC's are looking at it. Etops app. is on file all ready! so now we are coming for that as well. but the thing is are we going to be competing with very low paid pilots of international carriers flying city to city in the U.S. of A?? and some of these have their own gas as well. ie mexico and some of the South american kids.so cheap labor and cheap gas, not a good set up for us at all. thanks to the government again.
12-11-2007, 11:59 AM
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what ever you want to use mr. nash.
who does the PBJC not know exists??? airtran
who has DAL,UAL, AA/TWA,USA boys and girls happy to be here? airtran
who still has all of there retirement? airtran
who has the lowest SCPM excluding fuel? airtran
who has the youngest all Boeing fleet? airtran
who still gets 10.5 % towards retirement? airtran
To call us a scab outfit today is just wrong. look at CAL and UAL numbers when the had 2000 pilots and see what your percentage is.we still come out ahead. get over it already. where else do expect people to go today?????
UPS window closed
DAL sounds like a freeze
SWA projections have been pulled way back.
UAL. scary to say the least. the boys and girls over there deserve way better than the ride management is offering at the moment.\
so what else do u have to offer????
who does the PBJC not know exists??? airtran
who has DAL,UAL, AA/TWA,USA boys and girls happy to be here? airtran
who still has all of there retirement? airtran
who has the lowest SCPM excluding fuel? airtran
who has the youngest all Boeing fleet? airtran
who still gets 10.5 % towards retirement? airtran
To call us a scab outfit today is just wrong. look at CAL and UAL numbers when the had 2000 pilots and see what your percentage is.we still come out ahead. get over it already. where else do expect people to go today?????
UPS window closed
DAL sounds like a freeze
SWA projections have been pulled way back.
UAL. scary to say the least. the boys and girls over there deserve way better than the ride management is offering at the moment.\
so what else do u have to offer????
Can I put in an app? Makes me wonder though why a recent new hire class I stopped in to say hello too had two AirTran guys in it. Also, there is no freeze at DAL (actually depending on how many 777's we can get our hands on the pilot hiring estimate is 600-1000), and we get 11% toward retirement. (and that's under the worst contract we've ever had) I'm not saying anything bad about AirTran, just food for thought. You seemed a little coolaid drunk.
12-11-2007, 12:20 PM
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no coolaid here. just saying that there be worse places to be, some better too. to still be calling us a scab house is a bunch of B.S. Have flown with a bunch of the 55 early outs you had. they all are very happy here. was funny. one was saying u guys are getting so hard up for quality pilots that they are talking about rehiring them! thou there was one or two I would be happy too send back to you!!!!!!!!! gift wrapped!
12-11-2007, 12:29 PM
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no coolaid here. just saying that there be worse places to be, some better too. to still be calling us a scab house is a bunch of B.S. Have flown with a bunch of the 55 early outs you had. they all are very happy here. was funny. one was saying u guys are getting so hard up for quality pilots that they are talking about rehiring them! thou there was one or two I would be happy too send back to you!!!!!!!!! gift wrapped!
We've got over 12000 apps on file so no shortage of candidates, apparently one of the early retirees wanted to comeback so we had to go to the trouble of drawing up a LOA to address the possibility of returning. He would have to reinterview and get a new seniority number. Thankfully one far higher than mine.
12-11-2007, 12:59 PM
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come on, I will even pay the fed ex discounted rate!!!!
we are losing a few f.o.'s off the bottom of our list. can't say as i blame them with the garbage rate that was in the proposed t.a. All the 4 stripers seem to be along for the ride. anyways have a great holiday season!
we are losing a few f.o.'s off the bottom of our list. can't say as i blame them with the garbage rate that was in the proposed t.a. All the 4 stripers seem to be along for the ride. anyways have a great holiday season!
12-11-2007, 01:14 PM
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come on, I will even pay the fed ex discounted rate!!!!
we are losing a few f.o.'s off the bottom of our list. can't say as i blame them with the garbage rate that was in the proposed t.a. All the 4 stripers seem to be along for the ride. anyways have a great holiday season!
we are losing a few f.o.'s off the bottom of our list. can't say as i blame them with the garbage rate that was in the proposed t.a. All the 4 stripers seem to be along for the ride. anyways have a great holiday season!
12-11-2007, 04:39 PM
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What is this crap?? Delta and AirTran pilots getting along, dogs and cats living together...mass hysteria!! 
All joking aside...We're gonna give em some serious hell! We surely deserve to be treated like professionals and paid accordingly. I hope we can ALL prosper in the future. We need to start looking at this profession as a collective whole of airline pilots and not just an entity of a certain company.
...and a very Merry Christmas to all. (I'll be working ,of course.)
All joking aside...We're gonna give em some serious hell! We surely deserve to be treated like professionals and paid accordingly. I hope we can ALL prosper in the future. We need to start looking at this profession as a collective whole of airline pilots and not just an entity of a certain company.
...and a very Merry Christmas to all. (I'll be working ,of course.)
12-11-2007, 04:45 PM
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Tazzed,
As I mentioned, AMR is recalling former TWA Capt's and senior F/Os (1988-1989 hires). Most will go back at the top of the pay scale which is in excess of $105/hr. Most have been at Air Tran for 3-5 years. If they are making more than $105/hr after 3-5 years they would be crazy to leave. But I don't think that is the case if they are F/Os.
Just my opinion....
FF
As I mentioned, AMR is recalling former TWA Capt's and senior F/Os (1988-1989 hires). Most will go back at the top of the pay scale which is in excess of $105/hr. Most have been at Air Tran for 3-5 years. If they are making more than $105/hr after 3-5 years they would be crazy to leave. But I don't think that is the case if they are F/Os.
Just my opinion....
FF
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