ComputerGuy

Couldn't agree with you more, KB. Glad you're here, if I could change my vote on that poll now, I would. Merry Christmas!

Kill Bill

i don't want anyone to change their vote. i had fun with the poll; it was my twisted way of amusing myself and, hopefully, others here.

i hope everyone has a great christmas or whatever holiday you celebrate (we have LOTS of jewish friends--none of whom are offended when we say merry christmas). i look forward to the 2006 version of the forum with great eagerness.

Eric Stratton

now that christmas is over my vote would be for someone like jetblue or allegiant. If you want someone to go it might as well be a low paying airline.

now give it to me boys

FNG320

Well, then based on the lowest pay comment, then it should be USAir or United. Ref the link below:

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/h...0050712150.htm

Just my opinion......

FNG

B757200ER

Bill---what about a 'Blessed Kwanzaa'?

Kill Bill

you mean that fake, made-up holiday created by some numb-nuts professor at cal berkeley?

ok, happy kwanzaa.

or merry hanaramakwanzmas.

Eric Stratton

I see your 320 max CA and raise you 3 FO pay rates

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/h...0050712150.htm
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/h...0050712150.htm
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/h...0050712150.htm

ah and don't forget that wonderful 190 pay what is it, $89 for a 12 yr CA and $53 for a 12 year FO

warm fuzzy's all over

hifly

Maybe it should be any airline that allows defunct management to guide the company on a pilgramage for bankruptcy. Then, maybe, all the other legacy airlines would not be be enslaved to the same journey. Everyone cries that todays start up airlines are weighing down on the standards of yesterdays legacies. This may be true, however, bankrupt airlines that are allowed to continue operation are just as threatening. Of course, I do admit, this is a very shallow answer considering I am not employed by a bankrupt airline. If this were so, I would probably spend more time on a more creative answer. Merry Christmas. I hope everyone had a great holiday!

FNG320

This is an excellent observation from an outside observer. You don't have to be in the airlines to understand business. Forbes or Fortune Magazine (I can't remember which) had an article in the winter/spring of 2003 that said USAir or United should go away to fix the industry. I would regeret the loss of jobs that a Chapter 7 sell off of a company would cause. But the reduction in furloughs by all of the other airlines would more than compensate for this loss

Just look at the last three years. USAir (in BK twice) and United (still in BK 3 years and counting) have done much more damage to the industry than JetBlue, AirTran, Frontier, et. al. LCC have done. Yes it may have been an one-two punch from U and U followed by the LCC, but the LCC were the smaller impact of the two. Had one of these two companies gone to the great airline heaven in the sky (United more than USAir), their routes and bases would have been quickly absorbed by the other major airlines who had the capability to expand quickly (excess planes and pilots on furlough or about to be furloughed). Thus a lot of excess capacity would have gone away, the other major airlines would have expanded to fill the gaps and the downard sprial of prices and wages would have stopped. With the loss of capacity, the remaining major airlines may even have even been able to raise prices as demand exceeded the new level of capacity. yes the LCC may have been able to cherry pick a few prime routes, but only a few.

Remember, the LCC could not have expanded into these markets as they all lacked the planes and crews to take immediate action. Getting 30-50 aircraft from storage and 500-100 pilots from furlough is much easier for the legacy carriers than the LCC trying to immediately buy/lease extra planes and hire and train crews to fill the void.

It was the lingering death (or life) of USAir and United that have prolong the industries woes and actually helped the LCC survive. The LCC are all configured much better to handle the downturn in fares and survive the $60 a barrel oil. Not that is isn't hurting them too, but the LCC have not lost Billions in cash, Billions in assets, as well as market share. Remember a LCC making ZERO profit can last indefintely, where a major/legacy carrier that is losing millions/billions of dollars a years will (should) eventually fail.

As a final note, look over the last three years as the Major airlines tried to raise prices to compensate for losses and rising oil prices. Guess which airline prevented most of these price increases from taking effect by not matching the increases. If you guessed NWA, you win the prize. Look at where they are now, In worse shape than United or USAir. (I guess NWA and DAL both tried to swim in and out of the whirlpool and got trapped in the suction).

Just my opinion....

FNG

ps. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

Kill Bill

i dont think he's necessarily an outsider. he just said he doesn't work for a BK carrier.