ALPA decertification at US Airways
11-13-2007, 12:45 PM
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ALPA decertification at US Airways
11-13-2007, 12:55 PM
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let them go, they agreed to binding arbitration,got the top slots,and still cry because they didn't get everything, i hope for the sake of the ex-America West ladies and gents they don't end up burning the house down. I am a ALPA member from a different carrier ,who really doesn't have a dog in this fight,but losing them weakens us, as a union,as an entity. I don't agree with their stand on the arbitration issue though,so I guess we all part company. sad.
11-13-2007, 01:07 PM
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Well hope USAPA has some deep pockets. Can't wait to see the East guys take the Arbitration award to court to get it tossed out and the West sues them over this. Guess no contract till, 20??.
Hope the East guys enjoy giving their paychecks for all the attorney fees. I can't believe any large amount of West guys would join the Union. You get the same contract and payrates, irregardless of belonging to the union. Just don't get protection of the union. In this case probably would not be a bad thing, since USAPA would sell a West pilot down the road tommorrow.
US Airways management just gained a large upper hand. The next two years everyone start considering a new career other than US Airways, since the East guys have proven they will destroy company and take their careers with them. They could care aless about a paycheck.
Should be interesting when these East guys have to start over at another carrier at the bottom of the list.
Hope the East guys enjoy giving their paychecks for all the attorney fees. I can't believe any large amount of West guys would join the Union. You get the same contract and payrates, irregardless of belonging to the union. Just don't get protection of the union. In this case probably would not be a bad thing, since USAPA would sell a West pilot down the road tommorrow.
US Airways management just gained a large upper hand. The next two years everyone start considering a new career other than US Airways, since the East guys have proven they will destroy company and take their careers with them. They could care aless about a paycheck.
Should be interesting when these East guys have to start over at another carrier at the bottom of the list.
11-13-2007, 01:13 PM
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let them go, they agreed to binding arbitration,got the top slots,and still cry because they didn't get everything, i hope for the sake of the ex-America West ladies and gents they don't end up burning the house down. I am a ALPA member from a different carrier ,who really doesn't have a dog in this fight,but losing them weakens us, as a union,as an entity. I don't agree with their stand on the arbitration issue though,so I guess we all part company. sad.
11-13-2007, 01:13 PM
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The NMB has to determine if East and West is one company. Their is precedent set already by other unions at Airways that we are one company. Thus chances are East and West will be considered one company, and USAPA, if voted in, would represent all pilots. Doubt that representation will be equal. An East USAPA pilot will sell a West pilot down the road tommorrow. As long as it benefits them. East wants nothing more than for all the West guys to disappear.
11-13-2007, 02:51 PM
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ALPA has never been a union. So called Union brothers have wished the demise of others for their gain over the years. How many union brothers went to Delta from Eastern? How did the union brothers help their TWA friends? The fact is each airline are just little flying clubs with no outsiders welcome.
11-13-2007, 03:06 PM
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Here's another question:
Suppose that the NMB says East and West are one company and USAPA is voted in to represent all. As Alwaysflying stated, suppose few West guys join the new union, for whatever reason.
Now, assume USAPA decides to strike, for whatever reason.
Are the old West, and now non-union pilots, have to go on strike? Would they be considered scabs for crossing the picket line and continuing to fly their line? From the Scab List thread, they aren't really "taking another pilot's job" or "getting a job they otherwise could get" as they are currently employed at the company.
I suppose they would be treated as any non-union member that crossed the picket line, but would the specifics of this situation make any difference?
Suppose that the NMB says East and West are one company and USAPA is voted in to represent all. As Alwaysflying stated, suppose few West guys join the new union, for whatever reason.
Now, assume USAPA decides to strike, for whatever reason.
Are the old West, and now non-union pilots, have to go on strike? Would they be considered scabs for crossing the picket line and continuing to fly their line? From the Scab List thread, they aren't really "taking another pilot's job" or "getting a job they otherwise could get" as they are currently employed at the company.
I suppose they would be treated as any non-union member that crossed the picket line, but would the specifics of this situation make any difference?
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