jsled

“a. Preserve jobs.
“b. Avoid windfalls to either group at the expense of the
other.
“c. Maintain or improve pre-merger pay and standard of
living.
“d. Maintain or improve pre-merger pilot status.
“e. Minimize detrimental changes to career expectations.”

This is ALPA merger policy. Trying to match pre-merger status with post-merger status. Captain = Captain. F/O = F/O. and yes....furloughed = furloughed. If you look at the AWA/AAA award, this policy was followed to the letter. DOH and longevity are not even mentioned. Future w/b awards are weighted towards the East guys, and n/b awards are 1 for 1. As fair as could be expected. Trying to de-certify ALPA will probably fail but even if it is sucessful, I bet they will not get this award overturned. At least not for the 5 or 10 years it will take to get through the legal challenges. They should just move on and try to get a good contract now. JMO.

crewdawg52

My cousin is a non-furloughed F/O who was hired in '86. The AWA pilot who was put in front of him, seniority wise, was 17 years old when my cousin was hired. That is total BS!

jsled

Please read the policy. BS or not, it is what it is. Your non furloughed F/O cousin was a junior F/O going into the merger, and he is a junior F/O coming out. Ditto for the AWA pilot. NO windfalls.

AirWhisky31

BS. Seniority at a carrier is not static or a snapshot but is dynamic. The attrition, captain vacancies, advancement in seats, wide body flying in their system belongs to the US Airways pilots active and furloughed alike a hell of a lot more than any AWA pilot. They brought those jobs to the merger, they earned them and sacrificed for them and when their is a vacancy or a chance to advance from anything they brough to the merger, the payoff should be theirs. I am guessing by your picture, you are UAL. If you had merger with someone in 1980, should your 14 year FE's have been placed behind every FO at the merging carrier. Should someone else have been gifted the sacrifice of those guys who sat sideways for 14 years and enjoyed the benefit of the Captain positions or wide body and international flying ahead of them. Hell, no and you would have been screaming bloody murder. UAL supported prefence to DOH in the merger policy in 1986 because of those issues, and then backtracked on it 1991 because you went from an older pilot group to a younger one. Never a though given to the future, only the here and now and if I can take it, I will have it mentality. That is the problem with ALPA, they don't stand behind in universal principles or algorithms, only what the political muscles sees beneficial to them at the time. ALPA has a scab mentality and we can all see where that has led this profession. I hope for one, the US Airways guys win this, and if they don't I wouldn't blame a one of them for ever scabbing their carrier or any ALPA carrier, even my own. If we are going to live in a profession that is only about what you can leverage in the moment, then by god, when it is dog eat dog, there better not be a single person squalling about how it got like this or when someone who has leverage steals their ox.

CactusCrew

I didn't know age was a factor in determining seniority in the merger policy !?!

On the contrary, I guess it would be OK if that AWA guy junior to your cousin was 59.9 year old Captain, right ... ?

If there's ANYTHING a 1986 hire at USAir should have figured out by now ... Is that this career provides NO GUARANTEES as to where one EXPECTS they should be in 21 years .... Zip, Zilch, Nada ....

Later, Brown CC

(former USAir Express puke 1989-99 ... figured it out on my own ...)

fr8tmastr

How do you explain "E" on the above list?

Typhoonpilot

Finally a post that lays it out exactly in the correct light. Thank you Air Whiskey.


Typhoonpilot

CactusCrew

It was actually explained in the transcripts recorded during the arbitration hearing ... and apparently the arbitrator was awake during that testimony.


e. Minimize detrimental changes to career expectations


The detriment to the USAir side comes from their perceived loss of attrition advancement assuming their airline could have exited CH 11 and stood on its own.

The real detriment to the AWA side comes from the 2+ years and now ongoing stagnation of their advancement up a seniority list.

Too bad, so sad for both sides ... NO ONE but management will win in this battle.

Later, Brown CC

jsled

Seniority at a carrier is not static or a snapshot but is dynamic. The attrition, captain vacancies, advancement in seats, wide body flying in their system belongs to the US Airways pilots active and furloughed alike a hell of a lot more than any AWA pilot. They brought those jobs to the merger, they earned them and sacrificed for them and when their is a vacancy or a chance to advance from anything they brough to the merger, the payoff should be theirs.>>>>>

That is why AAA got the top 517 slots and future w/b vacancies will be awarded to AAA pilots 2/1 over AWA pilots. Did you read the award?

A320fumes

I doubt it. Nicholau is 86 years old, isn't he?