ALPA decertification at US Airways
11-28-2007, 10:22 AM
#142
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After 9/11 I know of alot of pilots with years of experience who bailed companies, whether it be UAL, USAir, DAL or others, to go to the bottom of seniority lists at places like SWA, JB and others.
Since these pilots had 9 or more years of experience flying should they be given higher seniority numbers at the new carrier. NO....
This industry is a crap shoot and it stinks.
Since these pilots had 9 or more years of experience flying should they be given higher seniority numbers at the new carrier. NO....
This industry is a crap shoot and it stinks.
11-28-2007, 10:42 AM
#143
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Really? Please explain how a 35-year airline captain has done "more for his country" than a military, combat veteran.[/quote]
It's a stupid question but if it really needs an answer? Here's mine.
They both have served their Country. One paid taxes for 35 years. The other enlisted and if needed would have put his/her life on the line for their country.
Taxes support the USA military.
I personally thank them both.
Now why was this question on an ALPA decertification thread?
It's a stupid question but if it really needs an answer? Here's mine.
They both have served their Country. One paid taxes for 35 years. The other enlisted and if needed would have put his/her life on the line for their country.
Taxes support the USA military.
I personally thank them both.
Now why was this question on an ALPA decertification thread?
11-28-2007, 10:50 AM
#144
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11-28-2007, 11:00 AM
#146
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The USAir east guys got the short end of the stick in this merger imho, but they did agree to binding arbitration. But their situtuation is for them to deal with and not us. Not you or I.
1 Seat, weren't you the one who said "I have no sympathy for the USAir East guys" and also said "the Majority of Airline Pilots feel No sympathy towards them either".
That is what I take exception to.
I will assume you are an Airforce guy that got lucky and got hired recently by SWA?
You probably had a few squadron Buds who were SWA capts and maybe LCA that got your application put in the right stack?
Good on you because lately getting hired at a major is all about networking.
I 'll make a further assumption that by being a SWA pilot many of your Jumpseater guests are USAir West guys (former AWA)? They certainly have their own opinions on how the merger went, but most will (secretly tell you they made out better than they thought) Notice I said better than they thought, not made out how they wanted.So if my assumption is correct, your Jumpseater guests have a more personal and biased opinion. They hardly represent the majority of us.
Saying stuff like "They (USAir east guys) should be happy to have a job", just doesn't bode well. This industry is hard and very few of us that have been in it a while have experienced a non turbulent ride.
The USAir Pilots have a long history in mergers and have fought hard to make this career (YOUR career) a better one. Until very recently (post 9/11) they were near the top tier in pay and benefits and at 1 time were at the top.
They have stumbled hard and lost much of what they fought for. This merger business, Is it your or my fault? NO. Just cut em some slack as they have had a pretty rough go of it and I hope none of us have to go through what they did.
UAL, DAL and NWA aren't to far behind them.
Plain and simple, mergers suck, and hopefully you won't have to experience one, but if you have 20 years left in your career you chances of experienceing one first hand are greater than not. More mergers are in store for all of us I am afraid.
Last edited by RedeyeAV8r; 11-28-2007 at 11:13 AM.
11-28-2007, 11:07 AM
#147
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Great Post Redeye. It's very persuasive, but some people don't want to be persuaded. Which in my opinion, is not a good quality for a "professional" (his word, not mine) aviator.
Last edited by newKnow; 11-28-2007 at 11:13 AM.
11-28-2007, 11:09 AM
#148
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Why doesn't military experience count? Are you saying that a military serevice and the experience/training are not relevant?
Why does the NUMBER of airlines you've worked for matter? Is more better? If so, why?
Walked a picket line?!?! Am I to believe this is how you stand up for what you believe in? How about deployments, combat missions, air medals, DFC's? Why not ask, "How many times have you put you hiney on the line over enemy territory?" Have you "Paid dues to those who have?"
Personally, I think "Some AF guy who is a new hire and has all of 6-12 months in the Airline industry" has done WAY! WAY! WAY! WAY! more for the country--and thus "the industry'--than a 35 year Captain.
Yes. You hit a nerve. You both owe him an apology.
Why does the NUMBER of airlines you've worked for matter? Is more better? If so, why?
Walked a picket line?!?! Am I to believe this is how you stand up for what you believe in? How about deployments, combat missions, air medals, DFC's? Why not ask, "How many times have you put you hiney on the line over enemy territory?" Have you "Paid dues to those who have?"
Personally, I think "Some AF guy who is a new hire and has all of 6-12 months in the Airline industry" has done WAY! WAY! WAY! WAY! more for the country--and thus "the industry'--than a 35 year Captain.
Yes. You hit a nerve. You both owe him an apology.
A vast majority of those 35 Year Capts myself included (And 20 year FO's in the case of USAir) served in the military, many were recalled for Desert Storm and flew Combat missions or Airlift missions. Some are Vietnam Vets.
Many Airline Pilots are on currently on involuntary Active duty serving in Afghan and Iraq.
But all this has nothing to do with Airline mergers.
If you want to start a debate on Miltary vs Airline Pilots then by all means feel free to start a new thread.
11-28-2007, 11:30 AM
#150
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I believe some us (in my case anyway) were making the point about out his lack of experience in the Airline industry and maybe Unionism in general.
We were all fledglings in the Airline industry once and military service (of which many of us are VETS) really has nothing to do with it. Maybe he just needs to change his Screen name and AVTAR now that he is a Real Airline Pilot.
Last edited by RedeyeAV8r; 11-28-2007 at 11:38 AM.
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