Ganbare

Like I said, if you've ever been furloughed you would understand.

Typhoonpilot

I'll take A320fumes side over yours any day of the week. That makes one

You make statements that are false or have prejudicial emotions attached to them.

Here is one example:

They would not have suddenly displaced AWA Captains. To state that is untrue and misleading. For about the 50th time on this board I'll mention that the AAA proposal had fences in the form of min captain positions for AWA pilots that lasted until the year 2014. In which time, by the way, 2000 AAA pilots will be gone.


TP

FlyingViking

You guys ever heard the advice "Don't argue with and idiot, he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience"?

IOW: Stop arguing with 1seat.....

newKnow

I agree. Who is 1seat?

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE

That's not just how I see it. Don't talk like I'm the last guy in the world to see this differently than you. Outside of the Internet, I don't know a single professional aviator who agrees with you.

I for one agree with A320 here even though I'll be the first one to admit that I am not a part of either side of this "conflict." Also, no matter how you slice it and dice it - there will always be someone treated unfairly in a merger. What amazes me though is how very opinionated you seem to be on this subject, especially for someone who's not even an airline pilot. (I think that’s what you said in the past?).

There's nothing wrong with having opinions however it'd be refreshing if you tried to put yourself in the other pilots' shoes, even for a brief moment. Then tell me what you'd try to do to make things better for you and for your family.

Frankly, I think airline mergers should be illegal - and CEOs who even suggest mergers should be fired on the spot! Instead, airlines that aren’t profitable for an extended time should be liquidated. Ooops, wait a minute, that means there wouldn't be any USAirways today; after all both East and West sides had been in chapter 11 protection.

As you can tell – the two airlines have more similarities than you probably wanted to remember.

1Seat 1Engine

Sorry TP, but until you become more than just an avatar, you still don't count.

This message board may be broad and diverse, but it's still an anonymous message board and as such, attracts a certain type of person and opinion. It is by no means a fair or random cross section of all dues paying union professional aviators.

My experience has been that among non-anonymous real people who make a living flying airplanes for major US carriers, they are dumbfounded by the actions of the East community of US Airways.

I've also found that the only people who can't calmly discuss this issue are the former US Air guys.

You're quoting out of context. My statement about displacing AmWest pilots was in response 41DS's post and to the to the many others in this thread in favor of pure DOH merging.

Nothing I've said here is false. I have no reason to be prejudicial. I work for a different airline and only casually know a couple AmWest pilots.

I think it's also clear, if you step back from the computer for just a second, that 90% of the emotion in this argument is on the US Air side. That much is conceded only a page or two back.

Bohica

That pilot had 14 years of experience at a carrier that no longer exists. Perhaps that is why it is bad for the two companies to keep the name of one of the FORMER companies. It is a new company, that furloughed pilot has zero time on the new property, and no reasonable expectation of displacing a current pilot at the new carrier.

I can't say I have no dog in this fight, as I am a Part 121 ALPA airline pilot, and I think we all have a dog in this fight. I am not the most experienced pilot out there, but I've been flying since 84. Many of you are allowing your sympathy for the furloughed, former USAirways pilots cloud your judgement.

Nobody is saying it is fair that they are furloughed. Nobody is wishing them a longer furlough. But there is a new company, and it should be comprised of those who were active employees at the time of its formation. I have to agree with 1 seat in that I can't believe the expectations of the FORMER USAirways pilot group. They do come off as a bunch of pompous, whiney dbags who think they are the gods of aviation because they were hired in 88. Who cares. They had no job at USAirways when it was acquired, and they have no right to displace someone at AWA who did.

More importantly, they AGREED to binding arbitration, so they should abide by it. They bemoan ALPA's credibility and honor, yet demonstrate none themselves. They were dealt a bad hand at USAirways, life sucks, but that is not the fault of AWA or the arbitrator. They should show some class and move on with the cards they have been dealt.

Bohica

Nobody seems to worry about new hires with much more experience than the guys they are flying with going to the bottom of the seniority list at their carrier. I had 18 years of experience when I was hired, still went right to the back seat. Flew with plenty of folks who had less experience than me. Didn't make me any more senior, nor should it have.

If we are going to have a seniority based system and a new airline is created, there are going to be folks who don't get the benefit of their years of experience. That is the way it is, deal with it or go sell insurance.

RedeyeAV8r

Probably Some AF guy who is a new hire and has all of 6-12 months in the Airline industry.

1Seat 1Engine

Spoken just like a guy who believes new hires are expendable.

BTW: helps if you READ the thread. I posted earlier: "My entire family has been in aviation, both military and civilian for three generations. I am an airline pilot and work with a very broad spectrum of airline pilots through my military reserve job from long before Sept 11th. I've seen my friends lose their jobs and come back to the reserve snivelling for every man-day they can get just to pay the bills. Many of them are still furloughed. I have heard both sides of the story from the jumpseat and over a beer (I'll drink a beer with anyone...I might even buy)."

But feel free to:
a. Assume or generalize to try to typecast me as uninformed or unimportant -and-
b. Then accuse me of making this argument emotional