ALPA decertification at US Airways
11-27-2007, 03:49 AM
#111
AAmerican Way for AA Pay
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: B-737 Pilot
Posts: 1,617
Air California and AA did the whole merge of senority pretty well back in the early 90's(?)
I think the tag line was, "if you want to ride with the posse, you'd better bring a horse."
Meaning, if you brought a left seat job to the "party," that is what you would keep. The same is true of everything else. If you came into the merger as a junior FO (from the east), even though you were hired in the eightes, a junior FO you remain. The system, as cruel as it is to these pilots, works.
I think the tag line was, "if you want to ride with the posse, you'd better bring a horse."
Meaning, if you brought a left seat job to the "party," that is what you would keep. The same is true of everything else. If you came into the merger as a junior FO (from the east), even though you were hired in the eightes, a junior FO you remain. The system, as cruel as it is to these pilots, works.
11-27-2007, 12:35 PM
#112
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: A330 Captain
Posts: 48
Putting an active West pilot ahead of a furloughed East pilot, what were they thinking? If you have ever been furloughed for a lenthy period you'll understand how wrong a concept it is. If you have not then you probably won't understand the viewpoint that it is wrong wrong wrong to have that happen.
11-27-2007, 04:45 PM
#114
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: 737 Right
Posts: 1,385
Putting an active West pilot ahead of a furloughed East pilot, what were they thinking? If you have ever been furloughed for a lenthy period you'll understand how wrong a concept it is. If you have not then you probably won't understand the viewpoint that it is wrong wrong wrong to have that happen.
11-27-2007, 05:03 PM
#115
Ben Salley
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Left
Posts: 924
That was never the proposal. But when that guy with over 14 years experience on the property returns, he doesn't go below a 2005 new-hire. That totally abrogates and marginalizes years of experience and sends the wrong message to everyone. I don't see why that is soooo hard for you to understand.
11-27-2007, 05:29 PM
#116
Ben Salley
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Left
Posts: 924
If I were a CEO and reading post like 1-seat's, I'd have my company send furlough letters to my entire pilot force, furlough said force, cut a deal with an upstart, and announce the merger the next day. I'd reduce labor cost by 40% slotting a guy with 16 years experience under a new-hire. What the hell, a new-hire can do the job just as good and at a third the pay anyway. And we know ALPA won't do a thing about it because pilots are greedy and don't care about anything that they think doesn't affect them personally. I'd set an industry precedent courtesy of guys who think it can't happen to them
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11-27-2007, 06:42 PM
#117
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: 737 Right
Posts: 1,385
If that's the impression you get from my posts, I suggest you stick to being a pilot because you'd never make it as a CEO.
Let me relay a little story: Just last weekend I was on a trip and we're loading the airplane with the cockpit door open. There's a baby crying bloody murder throughout the boarding process and out of no where a pilot in the jumpseat (who flies for a different carrier) says,"will somebody please shut that US Air pilot up".
Not my joke. My point is that among many pilots in the community there is little sympathy for the "burn down the company" attitude.
Let me relay a little story: Just last weekend I was on a trip and we're loading the airplane with the cockpit door open. There's a baby crying bloody murder throughout the boarding process and out of no where a pilot in the jumpseat (who flies for a different carrier) says,"will somebody please shut that US Air pilot up".
Not my joke. My point is that among many pilots in the community there is little sympathy for the "burn down the company" attitude.
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11-27-2007, 07:12 PM
#118
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: 737 Right
Posts: 1,385
That was never the proposal. But when that guy with over 14 years experience on the property returns, he doesn't go below a 2005 new-hire. That totally abrogates and marginalizes years of experience and sends the wrong message to everyone. I don't see why that is soooo hard for you to understand.
That's not just how I see it. Don't talk like I'm the last guy in the world to see this differently than you. Outside of the internet, I don't know a single professional aviator who agrees with you.
11-27-2007, 08:15 PM
#119
Ben Salley
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Left
Posts: 924
If that's the impression you get from my posts, I suggest you stick to being a pilot because you'd never make it as a CEO.
Let me relay a little story: Just last weekend I was on a trip and we're loading the airplane with the cockpit door open. There's a baby crying bloody murder throughout the boarding process and out of no where a pilot in the jumpseat (who flies for a different carrier) says,"will somebody please shut that US Air pilot up".
Not my joke. My point is that among many pilots in the community there is little sympathy for the "burn down the company" attitude.
Let me relay a little story: Just last weekend I was on a trip and we're loading the airplane with the cockpit door open. There's a baby crying bloody murder throughout the boarding process and out of no where a pilot in the jumpseat (who flies for a different carrier) says,"will somebody please shut that US Air pilot up".
Not my joke. My point is that among many pilots in the community there is little sympathy for the "burn down the company" attitude.
11-27-2007, 08:30 PM
#120
Ben Salley
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Left
Posts: 924
This board probably has the most diverse group of Major airline pilots in existence. The fact that you believe your opinion sans APC is the conventional wisdom de jour means you've probably spent too much piddle-pack time alone. You have every right to your opinions, and a significant number of this group agrees with you. State your own facts, not assumptions, and stop leaning on "everybody feels just like me". It should be apparent that that is not the case. Re-read this thread or seek help from different flight-surgeon.
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