So, you want to be an airline pilot?
12-21-2005, 07:10 PM
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all I can say is that if you don't like your job just quit and stop the complaining. Life is what you can make of it, not what it makes of you. There are plenty of other pilots who would love to do what you do so take some time and think of the positives to your job.
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12-21-2005, 09:14 PM
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to those who think they do not make enough money,
when you guys decide to get your heads out of this self inflicted i am better then the rest of the world because i am a pilot and need to get paid lilke i run the company attitude realize that you guys are working in a job that pays better then any of the median incomes in the united states. if you seem to think that life is better in some other professions do a little research into it. i do not want to hear about how you know a friend who has an aunt who has a cousins first son's friend who makes a billion dollars selling peanuts. reserch, look at the statistics right now. if you seem to not have any luck i have provided a website to begin your journey into reality
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104652.html
when you guys decide to get your heads out of this self inflicted i am better then the rest of the world because i am a pilot and need to get paid lilke i run the company attitude realize that you guys are working in a job that pays better then any of the median incomes in the united states. if you seem to think that life is better in some other professions do a little research into it. i do not want to hear about how you know a friend who has an aunt who has a cousins first son's friend who makes a billion dollars selling peanuts. reserch, look at the statistics right now. if you seem to not have any luck i have provided a website to begin your journey into reality
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104652.html
Last edited by preludespeeder; 12-21-2005 at 09:16 PM.
12-22-2005, 05:49 AM
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Speeder
Speeder,
Thanks for that link, but it doesnt apply to pilots. That information takes every McDonald's employee apple picker and gas station attendant into account. In order to have a fair comparison you would need to compare college educated professionals. In my home state less than 20% go through the efforts to get a college degree. Then you have to add all the flight training which almost counts as graduate school and you are down to less than 5% of the population. Your statistics are not valid unless you were working at ARCO.
Thanks Though,
SkyHigh
Thanks for that link, but it doesnt apply to pilots. That information takes every McDonald's employee apple picker and gas station attendant into account. In order to have a fair comparison you would need to compare college educated professionals. In my home state less than 20% go through the efforts to get a college degree. Then you have to add all the flight training which almost counts as graduate school and you are down to less than 5% of the population. Your statistics are not valid unless you were working at ARCO.
Thanks Though,
SkyHigh
12-22-2005, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by nick@FL350
......There are plenty of other pilots who would love to do what you do so take some time and think of the positives to your job.
Originally Posted by preludespeeder
to those who think they do not make enough money,
when you guys decide to get your heads out of this self inflicted i am better then the rest of the world because i am a pilot and need to get paid lilke i run the company attitude realize that you guys are working in a job that pays better then any of the median incomes in the united states..
when you guys decide to get your heads out of this self inflicted i am better then the rest of the world because i am a pilot and need to get paid lilke i run the company attitude realize that you guys are working in a job that pays better then any of the median incomes in the united states..
Second, I have never, not once, felt that I am better than anyone else. I dont think I should be paid as an executive or a CEO. I think they should make more than me. Look at the "median incomes" of corporations back 2 or 3 decades ago. The CEO/Board of Director and other executives made about 15-20% more than the highest paid employee at the company. Now, that figure runs about 300-400% more than the highest paid employee. That is not including secure bonuses and severence packages when the company FAILS!
I am not expecting $200,000 per year to fly a "Regional" Jet. That is not a realistic or proportionate amount of money, but neither is qualifying for food stamps either.
I do not compare this career to very many others for a few reasons.
1. This is not a mon-fri, 9-5 job. I am away from my wife and son for 4 days at a time (up to 100 hours per week). I can be at the airport up to 16 hours in a day. I am also only compensated for the time I am in the cockpit and the doors are closed. SO, therefore, if I am gone almost 400hours per month and compensated for 75-85 on average, please explain how that compares to other professions (the medical field being an exception).
2. How many professions require a college degree AND Government required certificates to get hired? I paid for my own certificates. I was not in the military nor did I have a rich father to pay for everything.
3. I do enjoy my job, but believe me, I would give it up like a bad habit if I had other opportunities. I always have my eyes open to other careers. I still feel lucky to have had the opportunity to have experienced this job though. I enjoy the people I work with.
4. Re-read the original post that started this thread. There are a lot of truths in it. There are also some things that are blown out of proportion for entertainment sake, but a lot of it is fact.
Preludespeeder, I might ask what your profession is and/or who you work for. Do you have the experience to post the opinion you have formed of me and anyone else that hates and fears the direction this profession is taking?
12-22-2005, 09:27 AM
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excellent post....
3. I do enjoy my job, but believe me, I would give it up like a bad habit if I had other opportunities. I always have my eyes open to other careers. I still feel lucky to have had the opportunity to have experienced this job though. I enjoy the people I work with.
My father use to say the same thing...He wish he had been able to do something else - but he couldn't so he made the most of his training and flew EMS / off-shore for PHI...
-LA
3. I do enjoy my job, but believe me, I would give it up like a bad habit if I had other opportunities. I always have my eyes open to other careers. I still feel lucky to have had the opportunity to have experienced this job though. I enjoy the people I work with.
My father use to say the same thing...He wish he had been able to do something else - but he couldn't so he made the most of his training and flew EMS / off-shore for PHI...
-LA
12-22-2005, 03:35 PM
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stearmen and skyhigh
my post was to point out the reality of the world today. stearmen you are right about pay for upper level managment, this trend with their pay is obscene and not right. in my opinion the rich are getting richer and the poor are gettting poorer while the middle class is getting snuffed out. sky high that website was to give a general level of income to base were pilots stand. yes i know that reflects all pay scales but all people can make different amounts of money hence the idea of median. i see it as the average person makes this. so if you want to consider the low side 25, middle 50 and high 75 thousand a year then that puts pilots on the better side of the fence.
if every one here thinks that being a pilot and the related items with the job is bad enough to considered pay and life at the poverty level then go find another job and make yourself happy. there are two kinds of people i have met in my short life, the ones who ***** their whole life about how bad it is and due nothing and the ones who due something to make their life good for them, not soomebody elses view. instead of patting each other on backs how you told another positive thinker how bad the job you still work is channel that energy to getting into something that is right for you
sky high i know you have done this and as far as i can tell you are in construction, so i hope the best for you when the industry falls on its face, my dad worked in construction for 25 years and hated every up and down he had to weather so best of luck to you and your aspirations,
stearmen to answer your questions about my position, still learning from the outside.
my post was to point out the reality of the world today. stearmen you are right about pay for upper level managment, this trend with their pay is obscene and not right. in my opinion the rich are getting richer and the poor are gettting poorer while the middle class is getting snuffed out. sky high that website was to give a general level of income to base were pilots stand. yes i know that reflects all pay scales but all people can make different amounts of money hence the idea of median. i see it as the average person makes this. so if you want to consider the low side 25, middle 50 and high 75 thousand a year then that puts pilots on the better side of the fence.
if every one here thinks that being a pilot and the related items with the job is bad enough to considered pay and life at the poverty level then go find another job and make yourself happy. there are two kinds of people i have met in my short life, the ones who ***** their whole life about how bad it is and due nothing and the ones who due something to make their life good for them, not soomebody elses view. instead of patting each other on backs how you told another positive thinker how bad the job you still work is channel that energy to getting into something that is right for you
sky high i know you have done this and as far as i can tell you are in construction, so i hope the best for you when the industry falls on its face, my dad worked in construction for 25 years and hated every up and down he had to weather so best of luck to you and your aspirations,
stearmen to answer your questions about my position, still learning from the outside.
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