Virgin has $177.3 million lined up.
12-09-2005, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by LAfrequentflyer
What you described is free-market economics. Competition is good, healthy, and needed to eliminate the bad / poorly managed business, the flawed business plan, etc...
Why should Branson pay more than 60K - if pilots are willing to work for that amount? Put yourself in his shoes..If you were a CEO - you'd pay your pilots 150K a year and destroy your cash reserve / company..All so your pilots made a six figure salary...
-LA
Why should Branson pay more than 60K - if pilots are willing to work for that amount? Put yourself in his shoes..If you were a CEO - you'd pay your pilots 150K a year and destroy your cash reserve / company..All so your pilots made a six figure salary...
-LA
If their pay is the same then best of luck to them but I bet it won't be. They'll under cut the other carriers and ALPA will offer them rides to work to do it.
12-09-2005, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadowFlight
That's a mild understatement. Why don't you worry about maintaining your GPA instead of worrying about this start-up.
When you have more hours than posts, you're attitude will be more tolerant.
BTW, did UND stop offering Karma 101 to students? Wishing this or any airline to "fail" is something that could haunt you later on.
Especially when it's YOUR job on the line at an airline that someone wishes it to "fail"...
Rant over...
SF
When you have more hours than posts, you're attitude will be more tolerant.
BTW, did UND stop offering Karma 101 to students? Wishing this or any airline to "fail" is something that could haunt you later on.
Especially when it's YOUR job on the line at an airline that someone wishes it to "fail"...
Rant over...
SF
His attitude is fine. You seem to be the one who has issues. So you are all for start-ups undercutting the industy and dragging it down. What happens when all the majors come down to the low cost airline rate. Do the low cost carriers take pay cuts to keep their competitive advantage. AirTran wants a 12% productivity increase out of the pilots to keep that advantage. (12% pay cut or work rule changes). If these new airline managements are so great at running an airline they wouldn't have to rely on the employees pay to make it work.
Hours don't make someone tolerable, attitude does.
ShadowFlight I'm curious, who do you work for?
Allegiant rocks- 10yr md-80 capt. $105 10yr md-80 fo $49
rant over
edik is UND still telling students that you can go straight to a major once you graduate with your commercial certificate? aahh the memories of UND.
12-09-2005, 05:21 PM
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Eric Stratton,
Thanks for seeing it the way i see this whole situation.
"edik is UND still telling students that you can go straight to a major once you graduate with your commercial certificate? aahh the memories of UND"
No, when i took the Aviation Orientation last year, they made it sound like everything will soon return to pre 9/11. I highly doubt it,especially when there are all of these start ups.
Edik
Thanks for seeing it the way i see this whole situation.
"edik is UND still telling students that you can go straight to a major once you graduate with your commercial certificate? aahh the memories of UND"
No, when i took the Aviation Orientation last year, they made it sound like everything will soon return to pre 9/11. I highly doubt it,especially when there are all of these start ups.
Edik
12-09-2005, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
If these start ups have such a great business plan then they should be able to thrive while still paying the same as the established carriers. Their business plan is to have cheap labor. I'm not just talking about pilot pay either.
If their pay is the same then best of luck to them but I bet it won't be. They'll under cut the other carriers and ALPA will offer them rides to work to do it.
If their pay is the same then best of luck to them but I bet it won't be. They'll under cut the other carriers and ALPA will offer them rides to work to do it.
They might pay really well. You never know. Then again, he's right about CEOs who only pay Captains $60k/yr; if there are slugs out there who will do it (thousands), then that's what they'll pay.
BTW, are you still the 'Rush Chairman'?
12-10-2005, 12:29 PM
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Alliegent rocks huh?? So a 10yr Capt at $105k sounds good to you? I guess it would if your parents paying for school and having $20 a week to buy beer is heaven on earth. If a guy has been at Alliegent for 10yrs as a Capt.. he was probably a FO for 5yrs or more... So lets say he was there for 15yrs. It took him at least 5yrs to get the mins and probably $45k in flight training or 10yrs in the military to get those mins. So he's been at it for over 20yrs. What do you think a 20yr lawyer, doctor, accountant, or other professional is making.. Probably more.. So if the guy is at a mid life stage of life.. kids, house payment etc.... and can lose it all with a simple injury or terrorist attack... Is that really worth a longterm career choice? $105K isn't bad.. but it's not great.. trust me. Get your first car payment and at least be able to buy a beer... Soon you'll see things different.. Just a guess.. I could be wrong though 
12-11-2005, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Schnides
Alliegent rocks huh?? So a 10yr Capt at $105k sounds good to you? I guess it would if your parents paying for school and having $20 a week to buy beer is heaven on earth. If a guy has been at Alliegent for 10yrs as a Capt.. he was probably a FO for 5yrs or more... So lets say he was there for 15yrs. It took him at least 5yrs to get the mins and probably $45k in flight training or 10yrs in the military to get those mins. So he's been at it for over 20yrs. What do you think a 20yr lawyer, doctor, accountant, or other professional is making.. Probably more.. So if the guy is at a mid life stage of life.. kids, house payment etc.... and can lose it all with a simple injury or terrorist attack... Is that really worth a longterm career choice? $105K isn't bad.. but it's not great.. trust me. Get your first car payment and at least be able to buy a beer... Soon you'll see things different.. Just a guess.. I could be wrong though
That was sarcasm, and I can't believe you didn't notice that. Why would you assume that my parents would pay for school. Stop complaining that yours didn't because mine didn't either and I spent at least $30 a week on beer.
My cars paid off because you can't afford one when you have a house payment.
12-11-2005, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by B757200ER
They might pay really well. You never know. Then again, he's right about CEOs who only pay Captains $60k/yr; if there are slugs out there who will do it (thousands), then that's what they'll pay.
BTW, are you still the 'Rush Chairman'?
BTW, are you still the 'Rush Chairman'?
Yes I'm still the Rush Chairman and I am dam glad to meet you.
12-11-2005, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
He was also told that they had plans of operating the A330 or A340. He told us that pilots would top out at $120 for a 330 or 340 CA. How he would know that, I don't know, but that's what he told us
Well if a CA of A330/340 tops out at $120, then CA in A320 will probably top out anywhere from $80-100.
12-12-2005, 08:10 AM
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$120/hr?
If an int'l A330/340 Captain tops out at $120/hr, that is a joke. That should be senior F/O pay!
I'll bet Virgin Atlantic's UK-based pilots make more than that, flying 744s and 340s.
I'll bet Virgin Atlantic's UK-based pilots make more than that, flying 744s and 340s.
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