Is there a safe future for Pilots? My Son's Question
10-08-2007, 09:22 AM
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Here, i need to leave here in a minute, got a flight out of midway here, i love this run.... 
Anyways, i dont have much time, but thank you guys for all your invaluable advice, ive got some other lefties that i work with who went through the Service, so ill have a go with them, appreicate it guys..... See You All In Oakland
Tim
Anyways, i dont have much time, but thank you guys for all your invaluable advice, ive got some other lefties that i work with who went through the Service, so ill have a go with them, appreicate it guys..... See You All In Oakland
Tim
10-08-2007, 09:55 AM
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I think it hysterical and Ironic that the guy raising the safety flag has an avatar of a guy holding onto his parachute with one hand in freefall!
10-08-2007, 11:55 AM
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328Dude, ill see you there, save me a cold one 
Huggy Bear, YES!!! that was my point. I am not worried about safety, because even though we see younger and younger kids taking to the skies, the market will adapt after the first 3 crashes and it will all work out. However, you brought up the point i was worried about, because when SWA's "Fuel Hedging" deal times out, SWA will be at a level playing field with all the other currier's, and all of us pilots will have the self security of our jobs snatched from under us. Its apparent to me at least, that the security of all our jobs are obscured by a dark cloud, that i hope, my son will be able to navigate through to find financial security. Just hope he can fill that void with something else if the airline industry cuts large amounts of workers off the payroll. Just want whats best for him.....
So, what do you guys think, he is 15 now, he is a sophomore, hes getting A's and B's, should i wait it out until i fully endorse his pilot dreams? or do you guys think it is safe enough right now for him to start looking to the future as being a pilot. I asked him last night that if he was offered a job as a C210 pilot, would he like to take it? He told me as long as he gets to fly and gets a steady income. Needless to say it was good to hear, given the unfortunate circumstances.
Oh well, ill stop yapping and let you guys answer. Im Back on shift tomorrow morning
Boy, i need to make my own account
Huggy Bear, YES!!! that was my point. I am not worried about safety, because even though we see younger and younger kids taking to the skies, the market will adapt after the first 3 crashes and it will all work out. However, you brought up the point i was worried about, because when SWA's "Fuel Hedging" deal times out, SWA will be at a level playing field with all the other currier's, and all of us pilots will have the self security of our jobs snatched from under us. Its apparent to me at least, that the security of all our jobs are obscured by a dark cloud, that i hope, my son will be able to navigate through to find financial security. Just hope he can fill that void with something else if the airline industry cuts large amounts of workers off the payroll. Just want whats best for him.....
So, what do you guys think, he is 15 now, he is a sophomore, hes getting A's and B's, should i wait it out until i fully endorse his pilot dreams? or do you guys think it is safe enough right now for him to start looking to the future as being a pilot. I asked him last night that if he was offered a job as a C210 pilot, would he like to take it? He told me as long as he gets to fly and gets a steady income. Needless to say it was good to hear, given the unfortunate circumstances.
Oh well, ill stop yapping and let you guys answer. Im Back on shift tomorrow morning
Boy, i need to make my own account
Take it for what its worth...I came into the game late but I always wanted to fly. One day I took the plunge. Don't have your son waste time that should be used to getting him towards his dream. I wish I hadn't. But it is also great advice to make sure you have a fallback plan.
FWIW
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10-08-2007, 03:13 PM
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Ahh, welcome to Oakland
Well, along with loving his Flight Simulator, he loves computers, and PC Games, now i told him to go ahead and get a degree in what you love other than Aviation so hes basically decided something in computers. I think that is a fairly good fallback given that Computers do not have an deadly spot like the aviation industry (oil, terrorism, etc)....
Ok,I have another Question for you guys. As im sure we all believe, the airline industry will never end, just because of the "I need to get there, and i need to get there fast!" type people i see every Monday with the briefcases. One of the things ive always thought, was we would absolutely find a alternative source of energy to power our jets too keep the industry going because it has to. Do you guys think that is relatively accurate? Just want your opinion on that...
See you guys tomorrow morning...
Tim
Well, along with loving his Flight Simulator, he loves computers, and PC Games, now i told him to go ahead and get a degree in what you love other than Aviation so hes basically decided something in computers. I think that is a fairly good fallback given that Computers do not have an deadly spot like the aviation industry (oil, terrorism, etc)....
Ok,I have another Question for you guys. As im sure we all believe, the airline industry will never end, just because of the "I need to get there, and i need to get there fast!" type people i see every Monday with the briefcases. One of the things ive always thought, was we would absolutely find a alternative source of energy to power our jets too keep the industry going because it has to. Do you guys think that is relatively accurate? Just want your opinion on that...
See you guys tomorrow morning...
Tim
10-08-2007, 04:11 PM
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Ok,I have another Question for you guys. As im sure we all believe, the airline industry will never end, just because of the "I need to get there, and i need to get there fast!" type people i see every Monday with the briefcases. One of the things ive always thought, was we would absolutely find a alternative source of energy to power our jets too keep the industry going because it has to. Do you guys think that is relatively accurate? Just want your opinion on that...
See you guys tomorrow morning...
Tim
See you guys tomorrow morning...
Tim
High energy density.
Good specific volume.
Low volatility.
Relatively low flamability (compared to other high-energy fuels like gasoline and Hydrogen).
Non-corrosive.
Stable between 100 C and - 40 C.
Easy to handle and transport.
Infrastructure already exists.
The only thing is doesn't have going for it is low emissions, although engine design changes can make some headway here.
Long term, we may be able to use kerosene created by artificial means (the Air Force is testing this on various aircraft with good results so far). The big issue here is emissions...any fuel that is similar enough to kerosene to work in existing aircraft will probably be chemically close enough to produce similar pollution levels...not good.
If environmental concerns force us to use some other fuel it may well necessitate a drastic redesign of our airliners, and the performance cost may severly limit range. Hydrogen is the only thing that comes even close, but it has numerous disadavantages...low specific volume, extremely volatile and corrosive, explosive, cryogenic storage and handling. NASA used kerosene to power the the Saturn V moon rocket because hydrogen was too dangerous to deal with! Obviously they forget this when they designed the shuttle...think Challenger and Hindenberg
10-08-2007, 04:58 PM
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i also heard NASA was testing a highly volatile material. its made of small metal shavings, that are "Sprinkled" into the engine, kinda like how an S.O.S. pad can be used to light fires in survival situations... well, these shaving's, once lit, transfer energy easily because of how they are condensed together.... oh well, just something i heard...
Tim
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10-08-2007, 06:17 PM
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i also heard NASA was testing a highly volatile material. its made of small metal shavings, that are "Sprinkled" into the engine, kinda like how an S.O.S. pad can be used to light fires in survival situations... well, these shaving's, once lit, transfer energy easily because of how they are condensed together.... oh well, just something i heard...
Tim
Tim
10-08-2007, 06:24 PM
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However, the emissions reduction will be minor...the fuel produced is chemically similar to kersosene, but probably with fewer contaminants. This project is about ensuring fuel for the military in the event of an embargo. The US has VAST coal reserves...if we can just use it cleanly.
At this point the stuff is pretty expensive, the process requires a lot of energy in addition to the coal.
10-10-2007, 02:52 AM
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Ok Guys.... looks like this post has gone the way of the dodo, so i will review all the great informationa i got from my fellow pilot, and print out what i feel is important....
Thanks Again
See you in the Skies
Thanks Again
See you in the Skies
