ghilis101

Your perception of that Minority Affairs office at AFA is slightly skewed I would think. I worked closely with them and I can shed a little light since your comments are running borderline racist. Their goal is not just to fill some quota with some minority. Their goal is to find well qualified applicants with an avenue to apply and learn more about the academy. Every single applicant or candidate is qualified.

You think its very easy for people of all races to just go do whatever they want? Thats cute but lets be realistic here it is a long way from being a level playing field. There are times where affirmative action is necessary, and it should never make you sick. There are still plenty of examples I could point out where only white males are considered for employment/admission. But nobody ever wants to talk about that, they just talk about how minorities get an "unfair advantage." seriously you have got to be sh*tting me if you think thats true.

you may not care or worry about skin color on a daily basis because youve never had to! but for a lot of us (yes im a minority) we are FORCED to think about it every day, and not because we want to. have you ever thought about that.

scrapdog

Listen, I appreciate your candidness. Before going any further - let's cut the racist bullsh*t ok? I'm far from racist...I grew up on a border town and was constantly called "whitey" and "quedo" (derrogatory for white boy in spanish). As I said about 3 times in my earlier post, I could care less what color you are, and that's the 100% truth.

I will stand by my words on the affirmative action deal regarding the military. I don't think it's cute - I think it should be the downright standard. If you have better grades and you're black you should get a UPT slot sooner than me. If you're white and you have better grades than me, again you should get that UPT slot sooner than me. If you're polka-dotted, etc, etc....you get my point. There should be a standard for every job in the military (and there pretty much is) and if you're more qualified to get that job IN RELATION to the standard than the other fellow - you get the job. If you're not, you don't. We can even take it one step further...have the applicants stand behind a curtain...I just don't really care. I only want the best guy for the job. But again - absolutely, positively there needs to be no special programs to further one person over the other (in relation to their color, race, or religion).

I think it's sick if only white males are considered for the job. And for that, it upsets me just as much as you. But in the military, we're pretty darn fair. I'll tell you every leader I've served under wants his best IP to go to weapons school (as an example). And it upsets me just as much to have any kind of affirmative action programs as well.

I'm sorry if you have to think about your skin color. I honestly don't think about mine. And I don't think about anyone else's. If the guy is a solid guy and he's an upstanding citizen, that's about as far as I think. If you or he is thinking about his skin color in addition, frankly that's his or your problem. You work hard and you're a good dude, well - that's all that's going to matter to me. You have to decide what you need to worry about and that's your personal preference.

BTW - I'm jewish. I've heard my fair share of snide anti-semitic comments. I've even had people give me the whale eye when I told them I was jewish. But I don't want a program or anything special. I just want to work hard and put my best foot forward. 99.9% of the time that's going to get you the success you desire - regardless of any ethnicity or religious convictions/backgrounds.

Skyone

Now that's a load of crap, IMHO. Maybe at some of the airlines, smaller ones. But from my almost 30 years in this industry, knowing someone might help you get your app. pulled, but that's as far as it goes. Yeah, sure, if you're dating the CEOs daughter, or whatever. Or using your premise, name one private industry that doesn't hire connections. There are so many numbers invovled with hiring pilots (numbers of pilots, ie.), everyone can't have connections. And if you don't have the right "numbers" (hours, size of aircraft, credentials) the better numbered candidate will get the interview.

Blkflyer

[QUOTE=scrapdog;231936]I'll have to disagree with you here. (BTW - 1 S in disagree...but no worries).

Thanx for the Spelling Lesson

Blkflyer

Well Said, thats all I was trying to say,.. BTW i am still waiting on Rick to answer me..

CALPilotToo

Never did I use a curse word or call you a direct name. Maybe the scab comment was a bit out of line but in my opinion your comment only caters to management and what they've been able to do with keeping airlines, flying,and airplanes seperate as opposed to being one entity. And that is a SCAB mentailty in my opinion.

You then respond with WTF, clown, D head and many others. And no I've never had a problem with military pilots. Either in or out of the cockpit. Alot of my FOs are military. But when it comes to flo thru they are more aginst it than anybody. Biggest reason is because it makes it harder for them to get their buddies from the squadron on.

Typically, military pilots are against any type of regional flo-thru. Tell me I'm wrong. Hence, the typical military comment. Never stated anything negative about military commitment or military service to the country and several military guys here respond with how big their "johnson's" are when hangin out in the desert. Get over yourselves. But thanks at the same time.

Your statement was very direct and I responded but you lash back with a red neck cursing diatribe. Take care.

CALPilotToo

I would think with your education you could get your point across without having to curse all the time. Always one in the bunch.

CALPilotToo

Going back to your original statement about flo thrus why don't you pick debate my comments for each airline and how a flo thru is not a good thing. Just try and do it without so many bleeps this time.

ladder1423

Spare us all the BS. I am a minority and the only thing affirmative action and preferential hiring for minorities and people of color do is cripple the very people it is trying to help. It tells minorities that they are not smart enough and motivated enough to find themselves a job and instead we should be handed things. I find it insulting when someone says to me I should get a job easily because I am minority. What they are actually saying is that things are handed to minorities, that we do not have to work as hard as "ole whitey" to get a job and basically it is the truth. Minorities mainly blacks and mexicans have crippled themselves and helped widen the racial gap because they always want preferential treatment for past injustices. Personally, I take pride in the fact I am minority but more importantly I take pride in the fact I am American and can easily hang with any one person in this country

sigtauenus

Where does "affirmitive action" actually come from?

The way I understand it, is that current US hiring practices utilizing "affirmitive action" are to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as Communism under the former Soviet Union is to Marx.

Title 7 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 states:
"It shall be an unlawful employment practice… to adjust the scores of, use different cutoff scores for, or otherwise alter the results of, employment related tests on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin."

as well as
"It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer … to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin."

http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/vii.html (about 1/4 of the way down)

True "affirmative action," in that case, would be simply to give everyone a fair shot on a level playing field. Application of "affirmative action," as we know it, seems to be to artificially level the playing field in regard to real or perceived injustices by effectively violating Title 7 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as it was written.

Who knows, I could very well be full of crap on this.