Gretzky

Which of these were hired/not-hired? Any idea why the other 2 weren't hired?

StripAlert

Last two not hired. Both great guys that I've been flying with for the past year or so in the 747 and one even longer in T-6's.

Former mil guy had some issues with the cog skills test--apparently his score dropped off precipitously on the last section. He's not sure what happened, and the test proctor said it was one of the strangest score sets he's seen. He was pretty much told to come back for another shot in six months.

Civ guy had a random bad performance in the interview, it seems. That kind of stuff can happen when you don't get a lot of sleep the night before, and I count myself fortunate that I managed to do as well as I did, given that I also got very little good rest. Unfortunately, if you tank the interview, you don't get another chance.

All of the applicants were top-notch as far as I could tell, and we got along great. If this is representative of the type of people Delta is hiring, I'll enjoy it here.

Split S

StripAlert - congrats!! It's a great group up there doing the hiring, I felt. I class up on Monday and can't wait. That's a shame about the other two C360 guys Did they say beginning to mid Oct for class for you?

-SS

StripAlert

Actually, they didn't rule out the end of September either, but we'll see.

tantrum

As far as the abort/reject order...it is spoilers, brakes, then thrust reversers. The reason spoilers is first is to remove lift from the wing and put the weight of the aircraft on the wheels so that the brakes are actually effective. Brakes don't work very well when a lot of the weight of the aircraft is being supported by the wing.

Hail does provide the biggest echos because hail is usually covered with a thin film of water hence hail looks like super huge water drops.

But like someone suggested earlier, research the answers yourself so you can know for sure.

CE750

I completely agree with this, however the only problem I see is that in reality, one has more time to get to the brakes first than the spoilers, unless they (as a function of the throttles going to idle, as they're really going to be the first thing you do anyway) will auto-deploy. I recently had a 110kts rejected TO on the 11 at near MGTOW and the brakes were the first thing I did the spoilers did indeed deploy and then the TRs were well later. You answer makes the most sense from the test stand point I suppose however.


This one I'm in a bit of a quandary over as the density of the Hail is unlikely going to be the same as heavy rain (number of drops in a cubic foot). I have tried to do research on it on-line with no luck.

Anyway, one question shouldn't sink the ship!

CE750

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Express pilot

Put Hail, its right. The other guys that got hired with me put hail. On the mental math questions, I only had 2 that were off the gouge (word for word) The 5-6 other math questions were totally different from anything on the gouge questions. I guessed on all of those. Maybe I got some of them right. I know I got all the other 36 questions right. I passed is the important thing. Wish I could remember those other questions but I can't, they had to do with drift angle and combined with something else. The cog is not that bad, just do the practice test before you start the real thing. My opinion is go fast, not quick with your answers and try to get them right. I think it takes a % of how many you missed vs how fast you went. Going fast scores more points than slow and all the right answers. The 3 on 1 is the most important. Very relaxed, great people. They want to see your a leader and a strong CA in and out of the cockpit. I just put myself in real life terms and how I would really handle the situation. Good luck and relax. They want to hire you.

Bucking Bar

Now that is interesting. Never tried that.

While in recruiting today, I spoke with the interviewers, managers and receptionist. Many people trying to interview with Delta overlook the obvious - so it is worth reviewing:

(1) Make sure your application is accurate, reflects where you are, what you have been doing and if you have done something to excel at a past position, go ahead and brag a little. The Managers' entire situational awareness of who you are as a person and a pilot is based on what is in the AirApps system. You might be detail oriented in real life, but they will never know it if they find spelling errors, punctuation errors and items not filled out completely, or items that do not match other parts of the application. Consider the application test #1. You have to make 100% to go to the next stage. Hundreds of people have been looked at and their applications re-filed back in the stack because they have not been careful with the application.

(2) Make sure the application is PERFECT before the interview. Changes at the interview could be considered "lying" which is an immediate disqualifier.

(3) When Delta interviews pilots, I think they imagine what that candidate is going to look like in the Delta uniform. The image of a Delta pilot is important to Delta management. This means brass not silver, round toe not square, lace up not slip on, etc. A conservative suit and tie, most likely a red one with a white shirt. Take your jacket off if you must, but like folks getting interviewed on TV, you look better with your jacket on.

(4) You want to be courteous and responsive in your communications. Do not call the Chief Pilot's office and expect them to track down someone in recruiting to deliver a message. Use the correct phone numbers (the airport and the General Offices are close, but not the same thing).

The test gouge is not completely correct and the test does pull from a bank of questions (I think). It is useful for studying subject matter. When I did the test the most accurate guide was the Gleim ATP written test. The interview test is easy compared to your "electronic system validation" you will take after your first week of training (after indoc).

Military / Civillian debate:

It depends entirely on the candidate. From what I've seen the single seat guys appear lost the first day of any training section. By day three they are the "go to" person for complex questions. The 121 guys know more coming in the door, but the fighter types are astonishingly quick at catching up. Delta's new hire manager appears to realize that a good balance is the best for Delta. So you will see many Fighter pilot / 121 Captain pairings in class and training.

Future Hiring:

There may be a slow down, or stop, in November / December. It is known that Delta was going to take a break for the Holiday season.

Future Hiring (my perhaps mistaken opinion):

Just look at the airplanes coming in 2008. 10 757-ER's, 10 737's, 2 777's (maybe more). Rumors of a bunch of MD90's and if they don't show up hopefully Delta will get a substitute. The last bid with 609 advancements was the result of one 777. A big airplane causes a lot of movement since they require more staffing than smaller, short range, aircraft. With this growth comes lots of opportunity and it is looking to me like 70 to 75 a month until the end of next year. Then it will depend on further growth (likely) and the beginning of retirements (not many for another 5 years, or longer).

Bucking Bar

According to the Honeywell Pilot's Handbook (did the E145 have the Honeywell Primus Digital box?)

Storms and Rain Gradients - Pg. 60
"Hail and turbulence are the principal weather conditions that detract from safe, comfortable, flight; yet, neither of these conditions is directly visible in the radar display...."

Pg. 63

"As previously stated hail is a poor reflector...."

The chapter then continues by teaching the pilot techniques to see the core of the storm which is obvious because it is missing from the returns from the middle of a cell.

I'm not saying you are wrong - but if the test says the answer is "hail" they made an error on the test. There is such a thing as "wet hail" but it does not exist in that state for long before dry freezing and it usually travelling vertically at speeds "in excess of 200 miles per hour" while in that condition.