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Old 09-13-2007, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor
Not to put words into acl's mouth...but what the hey...

Having gone through the process personally I can tell you that the 50% number is probably what they expect to yield from each class. The interview system is relatively objective (results may vary with how the interview is perceived by the interviewee).

If you take the average day of interview groups I think they probably yield slightly below 50% in the last few weeks. But just barely below the 50/50 mark. 3 of 7, 4 of 8, 4 of 7 hired seems to be fairly typical.

They day I interviewed was 1/7 and the following week had 2/8. But I know for a fact (from the hiring department themselves) my day was an extreme outlier statistically.

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FYI, my interview date was 7 for 7. Keep in mind, they want to hire you - it is a waste of money to bring someone out and take up everyone's time, only to then send them home!
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Old 10-06-2007, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by brucemcgehee
While we're at it on the gouge, will somebody check my math here? If you're doing 0.85M, how far can you slow before you have to tell ATC? I say 0.81M but most of the gouge I've seen says 0.83M. Here's my reasoning: You have to report a change of 10 kts or 5%, whichever is greater; 0.85M = 510 KTAS; 5% of 510 is about 25 kts; 510 - 25 = 485 KTAS = about 0.81M. Did I do that right or am I losing it? Somebody offer me some insight please.

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Never got a reply to this one but it seems pretty clear from AIM 5-5-9, "Advise ATC any time cruising airspeed varies plus or minus 5 percent or 10 knots, whichever is greater, from that given in the flight plan."
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Old 10-06-2007, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Razor
Never got a reply to this one but it seems pretty clear from AIM 5-5-9, "Advise ATC any time cruising airspeed varies plus or minus 5 percent or 10 knots, whichever is greater, from that given in the flight plan."
Actually; AIM 4-4-11 states: Expected to maintain within +/- 0.02 Mach.
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Old 10-06-2007, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingViking
Actually; AIM 4-4-11 states: Expected to maintain within +/- 0.02 Mach.
Yes, it does, but that is in reference to a speed assigned by ATC. "ATC will issue speed adjustments to pilots of radar-controlled aircraft to achieve or maintain required or desired spacing... Pilots complying with speed adjustments are expected to maintain a speed within plus or minus 10 knots or 0.02 Mach number of the specified speed."

I guess it would depend on how the question is asked then. This is from the WFFF gouge, "You are flying at 0.86 Mach, and you elect to slow down for operational purposes. Below what airspeed do you have to advise ATC? 0.85, 0.84, 0.83, 0.82. Answer: 0.84 ( Equivalent to 10kts.)

So do you think they are looking for the .02 Mach/10kts or the 5%/10kts as the answer?
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Old 10-06-2007, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Razor
So do you think they are looking for the .02 Mach/10kts or the 5%/10kts as the answer?
I believe the answer is M0.84, or M0.02 slower, however, I just got that out of the AIM and it was the only place I could find anything about a M0.02 speed reduction. The 10kts/5% idea has to many variables in it as there is no given GS, or Temp. I might be wrong though, this is just my interpretation...
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Old 10-06-2007, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Express pilot
I understand, put what about all the other points I made. Still no Scabs at Delta.
Your points add up to someone that simply doesn't know how to truly understand the industry. Reagardless your comments are pointless and uncalled for and show an elitist attitude that if Delta had discovered in the interview you probably would not be a Delta new hire. In any event, I hope you enjoy and have a wonderful career at Delta. And I must say I am glad you won't ever fly with this pilot at CAL. BTW, not a scab and won't ever be.

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Old 10-06-2007, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Express pilot
There are tons of guys that could have gone staright from Express to CAL b/c of the old flow through.
You do not even know what you are talking about. 41 pilots did not accept the flo-thru provisions and were fenced. Later many decided to stay at CALX who were not flo thru pilots but in the pref interview group and did not want to leave and go to first year pay.

I know one in particular who decided to stay at CALX because he simply wanted to wait for SWA. He got his interview at SWA and didn't get it. Several of those who left for CAL when he decided not to go to CAL just held CA after 2 years. Guess what his comment was to me the other day? BTW, I did offer to recommend him for a job at CAL.

I'd bet you were one of those either passed over by CAL or something along those lines. Am I right or wrong? What's your background prior to Delta? I'd bet prior CALX that was passed over by CAL.

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Old 10-07-2007, 05:51 AM
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You say tons of guys, out the 1500 guys they have hired in the past 2.5 yrs 20-30 have left. I don't call that tons.
140 as of today. Info from DL.
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Old 10-07-2007, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CALPilotToo
You do not even know what you are talking about. 41 pilots did not accept the flo-thru provisions and were fenced. Later many decided to stay at CALX who were not flo thru pilots but in the pref interview group and did not want to leave and go to first year pay.

I know one in particular who decided to stay at CALX because he simply wanted to wait for SWA. He got his interview at SWA and didn't get it. Several of those who left for CAL when he decided not to go to CAL just held CA after 2 years. Guess what his comment was to me the other day? BTW, I did offer to recommend him for a job at CAL.

I'd bet you were one of those either passed over by CAL or something along those lines. Am I right or wrong? What's your background prior to Delta? I'd bet prior CALX that was passed over by CAL.
CAL is a good place to be just like DAL is a good place to be. Let's not start fighting about which place is better here. I was an old XJT guy who never got a call from CAL. Never put much effort into it because I didn't want to live in a CAL base and I didn't want to commute. DAL has a base where I grew up and I was lucky to get the job. I'm now very happy that CAL never called because I probably would not leave CAL had I went. If I would have grown up in Houston then CAL would be the best airline out there. Everyone makes career decisions based on personal factors and that shouldn't cause us to fight over who works for the best airline. If you have a job at CAL or DAL you are a very lucky individual.
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Originally Posted by Razor
Yes, it does, but that is in reference to a speed assigned by ATC. "ATC will issue speed adjustments to pilots of radar-controlled aircraft to achieve or maintain required or desired spacing... Pilots complying with speed adjustments are expected to maintain a speed within plus or minus 10 knots or 0.02 Mach number of the specified speed."

I guess it would depend on how the question is asked then. This is from the WFFF gouge, "You are flying at 0.86 Mach, and you elect to slow down for operational purposes. Below what airspeed do you have to advise ATC? 0.85, 0.84, 0.83, 0.82. Answer: 0.84 ( Equivalent to 10kts.)

So do you think they are looking for the .02 Mach/10kts or the 5%/10kts as the answer?
So, what are guys going with? I get .82 by the 5% rule (.8166), but I want to play the game if .84 is correct on the test. Anyone know for sure?
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