CAL's Most Junior Captain
08-07-2007, 06:29 PM
#11
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Yeah that's what we called the guys that came to Express from CAL as per the flow-through agreement, then they went back. So he was a street hired? wow!!!!
08-08-2007, 02:22 AM
#13
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Well actually I think that shows how crappy the work rules are that nobody wants to upgrade............. There are planety of senior senior F/O's over there but their QOL would be destroyed if they upgraded, agian this is what I have been told, but hey If you upgrade now and they get a good contract yo are in great shape, cause if the contract is renegotiated and changes for the best, I would imagine it will be long time for a 2005 hire to hold CA, agian Im just guessin
08-08-2007, 03:49 AM
#14
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: 737 CA
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Another reason to bid it now. You can't be displaced when the new contract goes through. You might be junior for a long time, but at least you'll be making money. I thought about bidding 777 FO to experience it, but my seniority is about the same as 737 Captain. Besides, the 16 hour flights and layovers in India didn't attract me to that plane. Also, I like to fly and I'd never "fly" the 777; I'd be an IRO and do my landings every 90 days in a simulator.
08-08-2007, 09:35 AM
#16
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If it had been flowback, or a flowthrough rather, he would have had a hire date before 05. The new hires in 05 were the Schindler's list/113 (or whatever the number was)/pref-interview guys, in addition to everybody else.
08-08-2007, 06:01 PM
#17
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I am not sure that so many don't want to upgrade as stated above. I think the bigger factor is the pay differential between 2nd year FO and 2nd year Captain. A 12+year FO on a widebody going to a 737 Capt would only see a 20,000 difference per year. The 2nd year guys see's a 60,000 dollar difference.
09-13-2007, 07:46 AM
#18
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: 737 CA MIA
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At AA our idiots are using a "Carmen Bid Line Generator" it sucks. We separate the Dom and Int'l divisions. But this Carmen thing is blurring the lines.
God, I hope we don't get PBS.
My UAL bud likes it though.
God, I hope we don't get PBS.
My UAL bud likes it though.
09-13-2007, 08:07 AM
#19
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Our system actually reaches up and takes trips from senior Pilots in order to build lines as low as it can. It doesn't honor seniority at all and guys half way up the list, (mostly on the 737), are getting 12 days off a month and flying over 90 hours even while requesting a min schedule. There is no open time left over after it runs and it just plain sucks. Its Boeing's Carmen version and it was never tested on anyone but lucky us.
Priority one on our next contract is to dump it.
Priority one on our next contract is to dump it.
09-13-2007, 09:23 AM
#20
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75Driver (or anyone in the know), can you expound a little more on this PBS? What exactly does "build lines as low as they can" mean? Also are you saying that after a senior pilot bids a line and is awarded it the company comes behind and takes some of those trips away?? Thanks for any info...
In the days of line bidding we were staffed so that we had enough reserves to cover most of our flying and the staffing allowed you to drop or trade trips.
PBS, (at least CAL's sh!tty Carmen version), builds lines lower than ever occurred with line bidding. What I mean by that is that a guy who normally would have been a reserve during line bidding is now flying a line of time with PBS.
Great, you say, more Pilots have lines. There is a price to pay for that system. With other PBS systems, a very senior Pilots line is created then set aside and we move on to the next Pilot.
What CAL's system, (Carmen), does is reach up and take trips from the senior Pilot so that it can build lines down to the lowest possible Pilot assuring that most everyone flys 90+ hours per month.
Our Pilots are flying there asses off and our staffing has never been worse. PBS sucks and I personally will not vote Yes on any proposal that includes it on our upcoming contract.
