$312/$218
08-07-2007, 02:55 PM
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$312/$218
That was the left seat/right seat 12 yr hourly pay at UAL on the 747 before the bankruptcy. Does anybody pay that now? I didn't think so. I know a lot of people threw in an app back then. Some didn't get hired. Now they like to take swipes at ol' UAL on this forum. Well, that's ok. The pay sucks now. Only 2.5 years until the contract though. What will UAL pay then? Only time will tell.
08-07-2007, 03:14 PM
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how many guys made that rate at UAL...50 out of 9000???????....guys are bashing cargo captain rates on here too....fdx has almost 1500 WB captains making $225/hr and in the $240s when the contract ends...i hope you get what u want but with the likes of JB,VA and the rest of the LCCs competing with you, it will be tough..good luck!
08-07-2007, 03:38 PM
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FDX & UPS, have nothing on the contracts that UA, AA, DL had. The sad thing is that was 4-6 yrs ago.
08-07-2007, 03:46 PM
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how many guys made that rate at UAL...50 out of 9000???????....guys are bashing cargo captain rates on here too....fdx has almost 1500 WB captains making $225/hr and in the $240s when the contract ends...i hope you get what u want but with the likes of JB,VA and the rest of the LCCs competing with you, it will be tough..good luck!
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08-07-2007, 05:20 PM
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[quote=CaptainMark;210648]how many guys made that rate at UAL...50 out of 9000???????..../quote]
?????????? Do you cargo guys even have an idea as to the make up of the major carriers?????
UAL has the largest US fleet of 400's and 777's, still even after BK. The pay is not what it was at C2K but it will hopefully be back again. So to answer your question, it was significantly more than 50 out of 9000 that made those rates. Also the other aircraft rates were rather large at the time.
I can only imagine what the FDX crewroom must be like at night. Lots of bravado and very little truth. The 0300 coffee call must be really interesting. "yep, we are so much better than those pax carriers, hrmph!" Get over yourself. It is a job and yours currently pays more because most people don't like the lifestyle associated with freight. The company has to throw money to get the job done. FDX I am sure is a great company but please leave the bashing aside as it makes you guys look like bitter little men that operate in the dark, literally and figuratively.
?????????? Do you cargo guys even have an idea as to the make up of the major carriers?????
UAL has the largest US fleet of 400's and 777's, still even after BK. The pay is not what it was at C2K but it will hopefully be back again. So to answer your question, it was significantly more than 50 out of 9000 that made those rates. Also the other aircraft rates were rather large at the time.
I can only imagine what the FDX crewroom must be like at night. Lots of bravado and very little truth. The 0300 coffee call must be really interesting. "yep, we are so much better than those pax carriers, hrmph!" Get over yourself. It is a job and yours currently pays more because most people don't like the lifestyle associated with freight. The company has to throw money to get the job done. FDX I am sure is a great company but please leave the bashing aside as it makes you guys look like bitter little men that operate in the dark, literally and figuratively.
08-07-2007, 05:26 PM
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"It is a job and yours currently pays more because most people don't like the lifestyle associated with freight."
I think it pays what it does because UPS and Fedex have always made money and never had a problem with bankruptcy.
I think it pays what it does because UPS and Fedex have always made money and never had a problem with bankruptcy.
08-07-2007, 05:35 PM
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C'mon CaptainMark. UAL had 44 747's back then and 50 777's at a not too shabby $292/$197 per hour. But if you couldn't hold a widebody, there was always the narrowbody Airbus at $232/$158 per hour. You know, I talk to a lot of guys who were around this place in 1986 after the strike. They tell of the outrageous b-scale and the low morale and how everybody thought the airline pilot job would never pay what it "used to". These were the same guys earning $300/hour in 2003. My point? the future is uncertain my friend.
08-07-2007, 05:44 PM
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lambourne...
I only fly daytime...largest fleet..30 747s..wow! how about 122 MD-10-11s...and 52 777s..wow..how about 120 A300/310s...i remember running into UAL guys in hotels and they were "too cool for school" with that new contract...all the sudden u r back to reality...those 8 legs a day must be getting to you!..us bitter little men will spend 20 to 25 years as widebody captains at our current 225$/hr payrate u make fun of....747 captain at UAL...what 5 years MAX!...just reality..good luck with your contract..i hope u send payrates soaring again..even though i am messing with you a little
....u guys did set the bar for everyone else...lighten up!
I only fly daytime...largest fleet..30 747s..wow! how about 122 MD-10-11s...and 52 777s..wow..how about 120 A300/310s...i remember running into UAL guys in hotels and they were "too cool for school" with that new contract...all the sudden u r back to reality...those 8 legs a day must be getting to you!..us bitter little men will spend 20 to 25 years as widebody captains at our current 225$/hr payrate u make fun of....747 captain at UAL...what 5 years MAX!...just reality..good luck with your contract..i hope u send payrates soaring again..even though i am messing with you a little
....u guys did set the bar for everyone else...lighten up!
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08-07-2007, 05:47 PM
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C'mon CaptainMark. UAL had 44 747's back then and 50 777's at a not too shabby $292/$197 per hour. But if you couldn't hold a widebody, there was always the narrowbody Airbus at $232/$158 per hour. You know, I talk to a lot of guys who were around this place in 1986 after the strike. They tell of the outrageous b-scale and the low morale and how everybody thought the airline pilot job would never pay what it "used to". These were the same guys earning $300/hour in 2003. My point? the future is uncertain my friend.
that purple tails forum is the same crap every day!btw..i get all my UAL info from my FOs...ex UAL
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08-07-2007, 06:14 PM
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Glad we could the heavy lifting for the payrates. That has been our history here at UAL, doing the ALPA work that others are too lazy to do. How many times have you guys been in and out of ALPA? I can never remember if you are ALPA or your own union as it changes so often.
