$312/$218
08-12-2007, 04:06 PM
#51
Trust but Verify!!
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: MD11 CRA
Posts: 684
Lamebourne writes..
"The company has to throw money to get the job done. FDX I am sure is a great company but please leave the bashing aside as it makes you guys look like bitter little men that operate in the dark, literally and figuratively"
Other beauty's by Lamebrain..
"I am sure FedEx puts some nice spin on the "quality" of the hiring and training that it does. However, the hull losses you guys have had sure speak volumes. If FedEx were a scheduled pax carrier they would have been shuttered for the number of crashes they have had."
"I hope the UPS pilots are more concerned about safety than FE because I am going to start shipping all my stuff on them in hopes of my items arriving without being turned upside down and burned."
Dude doesn't realize "Castaway" was just a movie.
Anyway, check Lambourne's post history and you will see he is a serial cargo basher and obviously a victim of "cargo" envy. Same old Shiite, different day. Dude, just enjoy your job and get over that rejection from FDX/UPS. It doesn't mean your not a good pilot, maybe you just had a bad day. A little Stuart Smalley self affirmation might be in line here..
The bottom line is flying cargo has some great benefits, but isn't for everyone. Flying Pax has some great benefits, but isn't for everyone. One thing I will say is when you compare pay rates as the only factor in what makes a good contract you miss out on the meat issues like work rules, vacation and other QOL issues. I wouldn't give up FDX vacation for UAL's vacation for their old pay rates for example. I'd look at it really hard but in the end it's my time off that matters most. I'm not sure my fellow FDX pilots would all agree but that is why we have a vote! When you make that last flight west how much you made an hour won't really matter. It's how much time off you had to enjoy that money with loved ones you will wish you had more of.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled program "Unsolved Mysteries" where host Lamebourne attempts to prove a FDX pilot was behind the disappearance of Amelia Earhart, the Kennedy assassination, Watergate, Iran Contra and providing Barry Bonds with steroids.
"The company has to throw money to get the job done. FDX I am sure is a great company but please leave the bashing aside as it makes you guys look like bitter little men that operate in the dark, literally and figuratively"
Other beauty's by Lamebrain..
"I am sure FedEx puts some nice spin on the "quality" of the hiring and training that it does. However, the hull losses you guys have had sure speak volumes. If FedEx were a scheduled pax carrier they would have been shuttered for the number of crashes they have had."
"I hope the UPS pilots are more concerned about safety than FE because I am going to start shipping all my stuff on them in hopes of my items arriving without being turned upside down and burned."
Dude doesn't realize "Castaway" was just a movie.
Anyway, check Lambourne's post history and you will see he is a serial cargo basher and obviously a victim of "cargo" envy. Same old Shiite, different day. Dude, just enjoy your job and get over that rejection from FDX/UPS. It doesn't mean your not a good pilot, maybe you just had a bad day. A little Stuart Smalley self affirmation might be in line here..
The bottom line is flying cargo has some great benefits, but isn't for everyone. Flying Pax has some great benefits, but isn't for everyone. One thing I will say is when you compare pay rates as the only factor in what makes a good contract you miss out on the meat issues like work rules, vacation and other QOL issues. I wouldn't give up FDX vacation for UAL's vacation for their old pay rates for example. I'd look at it really hard but in the end it's my time off that matters most. I'm not sure my fellow FDX pilots would all agree but that is why we have a vote! When you make that last flight west how much you made an hour won't really matter. It's how much time off you had to enjoy that money with loved ones you will wish you had more of.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled program "Unsolved Mysteries" where host Lamebourne attempts to prove a FDX pilot was behind the disappearance of Amelia Earhart, the Kennedy assassination, Watergate, Iran Contra and providing Barry Bonds with steroids.
08-12-2007, 07:37 PM
#52
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 653
What 320Driver says is true.
Furthermore, end of contract rates here at UPS are the following, and they're much higher than most people realize.
$261.67/hour top captain pay ($255,128/year at guarantee)
$185.51/hour top first officer pay ($180,872/year at guarantee)
As for the rest of the contract... on balance it's quite good.
Furthermore, end of contract rates here at UPS are the following, and they're much higher than most people realize.
$261.67/hour top captain pay ($255,128/year at guarantee)
$185.51/hour top first officer pay ($180,872/year at guarantee)
As for the rest of the contract... on balance it's quite good.
$395/hour or so ( assumptions of 312 in 200/cola-2006/2%per year.
Don't let the dollar amount fool you. Its still about the same money as what they made in 1998.
08-12-2007, 10:14 PM
#54
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: Unknown
Posts: 211
That said, I'm all for whoever can hold up the bar for pay. Today it's us, ABX, and FDX, and tomorrow it could be American with their upcoming Mega Fixit contract.
08-12-2007, 10:39 PM
#55
Trust but Verify!!
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: MD11 CRA
Posts: 684
"Like what??????"
Like more overall daylight flying, pass benefits, not stuck with just one or two other pilot's on your crew for days on end, etc. For the pilot's who like interacting with people I would think there would be more of a chance on a pax carrier. Anyway, my point is you can find good and bad in both. This silly battle about who has it better is a waste of time IMO. Of course I just wasted 5 minutes pointing that out....
Like more overall daylight flying, pass benefits, not stuck with just one or two other pilot's on your crew for days on end, etc. For the pilot's who like interacting with people I would think there would be more of a chance on a pax carrier. Anyway, my point is you can find good and bad in both. This silly battle about who has it better is a waste of time IMO. Of course I just wasted 5 minutes pointing that out....
08-12-2007, 11:17 PM
#56
Freightmama!
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
Posts: 2,880
"Like what??????"
Like more overall daylight flying, pass benefits, not stuck with just one or two other pilot's on your crew for days on end, etc. For the pilot's who like interacting with people I would think there would be more of a chance on a pax carrier. Anyway, my point is you can find good and bad in both. This silly battle about who has it better is a waste of time IMO. Of course I just wasted 5 minutes pointing that out....
Like more overall daylight flying, pass benefits, not stuck with just one or two other pilot's on your crew for days on end, etc. For the pilot's who like interacting with people I would think there would be more of a chance on a pax carrier. Anyway, my point is you can find good and bad in both. This silly battle about who has it better is a waste of time IMO. Of course I just wasted 5 minutes pointing that out....
Daylight flying? I've flown more daylight flying at UPS than I've flown night. When I fly at night, I hear JetBlue, America West, Continental all at 3 am.
You mean the useless pass benefits? My future in laws have pass benefits on United through my fiancee. When they came out to see us this summer, we ended up buying them a ticket because Yonited decided to cancel a flight with 40+ seats open on it and the agent told them they would not get out of Chicago for 3 days. The flights were so full out of SFO on the way back, we just bought them another one way ticket. Aaaaah, yes.....the pass benefits....uh huh.
Not stuck with just one or two pilots on your crew. As opposed to what? A bunch of whiney catty flight attendants???? Sounds like a blast to me.
Once again I ask....
Like what?
08-13-2007, 12:42 AM
#57
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: CA 767
Posts: 402
Daylight flying? I've flown more daylight flying at UPS than I've flown night. When I fly at night, I hear JetBlue, America West, Continental all at 3 am.
You mean the useless pass benefits? My future in laws have pass benefits on United through my fiancee. When they came out to see us this summer, we ended up buying them a ticket because Yonited decided to cancel a flight with 40+ seats open on it and the agent told them they would not get out of Chicago for 3 days. The flights were so full out of SFO on the way back, we just bought them another one way ticket. Aaaaah, yes.....the pass benefits....uh huh.
Not stuck with just one or two pilots on your crew. As opposed to what? A bunch of whiney catty flight attendants???? Sounds like a blast to me.
Once again I ask....
Like what?
You mean the useless pass benefits? My future in laws have pass benefits on United through my fiancee. When they came out to see us this summer, we ended up buying them a ticket because Yonited decided to cancel a flight with 40+ seats open on it and the agent told them they would not get out of Chicago for 3 days. The flights were so full out of SFO on the way back, we just bought them another one way ticket. Aaaaah, yes.....the pass benefits....uh huh.
Not stuck with just one or two pilots on your crew. As opposed to what? A bunch of whiney catty flight attendants???? Sounds like a blast to me.
Once again I ask....
Like what?
Girl, Your showing your ignorance again. I knew it wouldn't take long. You haven't been in Aviation very long have you.
08-13-2007, 12:45 AM
#58
Freightmama!
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
Posts: 2,880
What in the world would a stupid girl like me ever do without your infinite wisdom? I know. I'd be lost in space forever. Thank you so much for enlightening me.
GMAFB. Mr. Stud.
Last edited by Freightpuppy; 08-13-2007 at 12:56 AM.
08-13-2007, 04:08 AM
#59
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 653
You're looking at the top rate which few pilots at UAL/Delta ever made. $395 would have ever only been a pipe dream, even without 9/11.
That said, I'm all for whoever can hold up the bar for pay. Today it's us, ABX, and FDX, and tomorrow it could be American with their upcoming Mega Fixit contract.
That said, I'm all for whoever can hold up the bar for pay. Today it's us, ABX, and FDX, and tomorrow it could be American with their upcoming Mega Fixit contract.
I'm with you all the way on whoever can raise the bar.
08-13-2007, 06:33 AM
#60
Ben Salley
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Left
Posts: 924
Didn't you fly pax at one time?
"In general, Pride is at the bottom of all great mistakes"
----Ruskin
“Self-praise can be put in the same class as anything else you get for nothing”
-----Franklin
You must of had a rough time flying pax....we all have lately. I'd like to thank you for pointing that out for us....repeatedly. Enjoy your career, quietly, you might be able to recoup some class.
"In general, Pride is at the bottom of all great mistakes"
----Ruskin
“Self-praise can be put in the same class as anything else you get for nothing”
-----Franklin
You must of had a rough time flying pax....we all have lately. I'd like to thank you for pointing that out for us....repeatedly. Enjoy your career, quietly, you might be able to recoup some class.
