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Old 10-19-2024, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
ornstein talked gleefully about how little he could pay rj pilots in a welcome aboard speech to new hires?

sure
You haven't been around long, have you?
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Old 10-19-2024, 07:59 AM
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You haven't been around long, have you?
ornstein is a scumbag, but he’s not telling $16/hour new hires that they’re getting paid too much during a welcome aboard speech.
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LOL.

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Just because one is a moderator doesn’t mean they have to tolerate the snarky insults from the ankle biters. Nothing he said warranted being basically accused of being a liar.
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Look at it from management’s perspective. If I’m running an airline I’d prefer FA’s be young and on probation. Their worth has nothing to do with why I’d want to achieve a high attrition rate for the FA position.
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If I’m running an airline I’d prefer FA’s be young and on probation. Their worth has nothing to do with why I’d want the attrition rate high for the FA position.
Well, then it's good that you don't run an airline because you have zero clue about what kind of value FAs have and how FAs have the power to drive revenue premium
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Well, then it's good that you don't run an airline because you have zero clue about what kind of value FAs have and how FAs have the power to drive revenue premium
Exactly, that’s why I want them young and on probation. The goal would be to achieve the least amount of “senior mamas” who no longer give a sh*t, know how to game the system, not afraid to call out or refuse an extension, intentionally reduce customer service experience during contract negotiations, and generally less attractive looking, as possible.

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Old 10-19-2024, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 11atsomto
His name was Chip Childs, and the current CEO's of all three legacies are no different they see all LABOR the same, they only tolerate the inconvenient truth that Pilots are Highly skilled LABOR and are not replaceable.

Im not sure I understand your logic......you seem to support the idea that compensation should be dictated by free market forces......right up to the point when someone who you deem unskilled earns a bit of coin.
I don't deem them unskilled; it's what they are. No hurdles to entry, just apply. Get hired and earn. I didn't mention anything following marketing forces. They're unionized and contractually paid/protected. I'm simply pointing out that I think they are compensated well for their work relative to other jobs that are more demanding and which have actual requirements(barriers in some folks' minds) to entry.

Good for them to be cracking six-figures. We're all out to earn as much as we want/can. My view is that I think that's a bit much for what they do.
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Well, then it's good that you don't run an airline because you have zero clue about what kind of value FAs have and how FAs have the power to drive revenue premium
Isn’t that the conundrum all airline managements have? One one hand, their narrow view of capitalism/supply and demand/skilled vs unskilled labor that they learn at MBA school tells them to not pay a penny more than they absolutely have to from a “free market” standpoint. But, then they scratch their heads when the NPS scores are in the dumps, high value corporate clients leave for DL or others, and passengers complain about the “grouchy” flight attendants. It’s as if they have no concept of human nature or cause and effect. I think Herb Kelleher said it best. We take care of our people, our people take care of the passengers, and the profits will take care of themselves. Simple, but seemingly beyond the grasp of the MBA grads that run airlines today.
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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
Isn’t that the conundrum all airline managements have? One one hand, their narrow view of capitalism/supply and demand/skilled vs unskilled labor that they learn at MBA school tells them to not pay a penny more than they absolutely have to from a “free market” standpoint. But, then they scratch their heads when the NPS scores are in the dumps, high value corporate clients leave for DL or others, and passengers complain about the “grouchy” flight attendants. It’s as if they have no concept of human nature or cause and effect. I think Herb Kelleher said it best. We take care of our people, our people take care of the passengers, and the profits will take care of themselves. Simple, but seemingly beyond the grasp of the MBA grads that run airlines today.
Well said. Too bad you cant just hire who Herb was hiring to take care of passengers anymore or your company would be facing lawsuit after lawsuit.
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Old 10-19-2024, 08:52 AM
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Good for them to be cracking six-figures. We're all out to earn as much as we want/can. My view is that I think that's a bit much for what they do.

I guess you are not that bad after all.
I'm not sure where you work but where I work....there aren't really too many that crack six figures. The few that do have a lot in common: topped out at max hourly base pay (which means at least 15 years)...... crediting an average of 126 Hours per month.........and in order to do so must have an initial line award with about 20-21 days off ...that means HOLDING Far East.......to HOLD that from say SFO it's I'm guessing 25 years+ years of service.

Most don't get that many hours, but would still be earning that $66 an hour......is that what you think is too much?
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