Boeing faces strike of about 32,000 workers
09-08-2024, 07:27 PM
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Post 8 used the plural, countries,. As in, more than just Iraq. I simply pointed out there was a country that did ‘pose a threat and do something hostile’ to us before we bombed and invaded.
That said, In hindsight, invading Iraq was a huge mistake. Not many would disagree with that. But we must also measure what we knew at the time. it’s not like they were just ‘minding their own business’ either.
09-08-2024, 07:59 PM
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Respectfully, you missed the point. I didn’t say it did.
Post 8 used the plural, countries,. As in, more than just Iraq. I simply pointed out there was a country that did ‘pose a threat and do something hostile’ to us before we bombed and invaded.
That said, In hindsight, invading Iraq was a huge mistake. Not many would disagree with that. But we must also measure what we knew at the time. it’s not like they were just ‘minding their own business’ either.
Post 8 used the plural, countries,. As in, more than just Iraq. I simply pointed out there was a country that did ‘pose a threat and do something hostile’ to us before we bombed and invaded.
That said, In hindsight, invading Iraq was a huge mistake. Not many would disagree with that. But we must also measure what we knew at the time. it’s not like they were just ‘minding their own business’ either.
If it’s an all or nothing then I can see your point. IMO Afghanistan seemed justified given the information we had at the time. Iraq seemed a bit more dubious. Which gives us a 50% when rating the wars we started in the ME. Not exactly a confidence inspiring grade
09-08-2024, 08:59 PM
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fair enough. I’m not saying I know everything or would have definitely done a better job if I were in charge in 2001, but I think someone knew we were getting into Iraq for the wrong reasons. Whether that was the WH, CIA, or some other entity is above my pay grade.
If it’s an all or nothing then I can see your point. IMO Afghanistan seemed justified given the information we had at the time. Iraq seemed a bit more dubious. Which gives us a 50% when rating the wars we started in the ME. Not exactly a confidence inspiring grade
If it’s an all or nothing then I can see your point. IMO Afghanistan seemed justified given the information we had at the time. Iraq seemed a bit more dubious. Which gives us a 50% when rating the wars we started in the ME. Not exactly a confidence inspiring grade
There were factions in the US who thought if the Iraqi population were just liberated from Sadam, the country would fall into a western style democracy. There were also many $$$$$ to be made in supplying/conducting war.
09-09-2024, 03:55 AM
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Nope.
Deal has been reached, 25% raises.
Ortberg probably concluded (probably correctly) that now is not that the time for a protracted knock-down, drag-out fight with the people who build their products.
More important things on the agenda. And to hell with penalties, at this point the customers are all ready to go get in line at Toulouse.
Deal has been reached, 25% raises.
Ortberg probably concluded (probably correctly) that now is not that the time for a protracted knock-down, drag-out fight with the people who build their products.
More important things on the agenda. And to hell with penalties, at this point the customers are all ready to go get in line at Toulouse.
with the benefits they lost this isn’t enough to even cover current rates. It’s effectively a pay decrease.
09-09-2024, 05:47 AM
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They gave up nothing. Just didn’t get their pension back.
Some union members said Sunday the proposal didn’t meet their expectations for wage increases or a restored pension. And the commitment to building in Washington, tied to the length of the four-year contract, didn’t last long enough to give workers the reassurance they were looking for.
09-09-2024, 06:38 AM
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Iraq was about Cheney and Bush 2 with unfinished business from Bush 1 and neocon nation building and oil and Halliburton.
None of which has anything to do with the spam no context/no comment post that started this thread. Also noticed that all of our complaints about it were quietly deleted... again.
09-12-2024, 10:26 PM
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Contract was rejected by 95%. Holy hell guys, what a show of solidarity! Has any union vote ever been so one sided?
Boeing Workers Vote to Strike After Rejecting Contract Deal
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