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Old 10-04-2024, 03:39 AM
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I think the average was way lower than that. Article I read said they max out at $39/hr and that $100k was more like an upper threshold for those who worked a lot of OT. They were grossly underpaid.
Average annual earning for a west coast dock worker (they got a new contract a year or two ago) is $233k according to the WSJ article this morning. With this new contract I think the East coast workers will leap frog them. From what I understand it’s not unusual for some crane operators who work a lot of overtime to clear $400k.
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Old 10-04-2024, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by AF OneWire
Average annual earning for a west coast dock worker (they got a new contract a year or two ago) is $233k according to the WSJ article this morning. With this new contract I think the East coast workers will leap frog them. From what I understand it’s not unusual for some crane operators who work a lot of overtime to clear $400k.
I mean, there are airline pilots who bring in $1M a year but those are extreme outliers. Seems like the $400k crane operators are as well.

A 2019-2020 report by the Waterfront Commission of New York Harbor said about a third of longshoremen based there made at least $200,000 a year, and more than half earned over $150,000.
Though not the norm, 59 dockworkers brought in more than $400,000 that year, according to the report.
Pulled that from a NewsNation article.

Looks like the workers at the big ports make mid-$100s on average. More than I thought but the same article said that starting pay is around $20/hr. I don’t think the folks in Savannah, GA or Norfolk, VA are pulling in that coin regularly.

Regardless, glad they were able to work out a deal.
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Old 10-04-2024, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by AF OneWire
Average annual earning for a west coast dock worker (they got a new contract a year or two ago) is $233k according to the WSJ article this morning. With this new contract I think the East coast workers will leap frog them. From what I understand it’s not unusual for some crane operators who work a lot of overtime to clear $400k.
Definitely on the west coast. I had a navy buddy who worked for a shipping company, brand name MBA, management fast track, etc.

The only way to get into the lonshoreman's union was either legacy or lottery. Lottery odds were pretty slim, but my buddy threw his name in and lucked out... quit the real job and basically lives the legacy airline lifestyle moving shipping containers around. In addition to the money, lots of schedule flexibility
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The longshoremen have strong work rules where I live.
Overtime after six hours etc. Nearly imposssible to get as is typical .
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Old 10-15-2024, 05:48 AM
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Boeing is issuing $10B in stock to raise cash.
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Boeing is issuing $10B in stock to raise cash.
good thing they spent $40b on buybacks over the past decade or so
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Boeing is issuing $10B in stock to raise cash.
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good thing they spent $40b on buybacks over the past decade or so
That is part of why companies do share buybacks. Extra cash sitting around does nothing. Buy back your shares when times are good. You may need to sell some new shares when times are bad.
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That is part of why companies do share buybacks. Extra cash sitting around does nothing. Buy back your shares when times are good. You may need to sell some new shares when times are bad.
Except that extra cash absolutely could have been used to clean up their production processes, pay their engineers and machinists appropriately, design and build new airplanes, upgrade production facilities, etc, etc, etc. This is the problem with our current corporate model: it's all about short term gain and quarterly earnings, damn the long term viability and success of the company. There are apparently not enough incentives for shareholders to think long term. Not sure how we fix that, but we need to.
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
That is part of why companies do share buybacks. Extra cash sitting around does nothing. Buy back your shares when times are good. You may need to sell some new shares when times are bad.
yeah, there’s nothing boeing could have done with that money except “let it sit around”


nevermind the absolute comedy of thinking it’s smart business to be buying shares when times are good (at high prices) and selling them when times are bad (at low prices).
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Except that extra cash absolutely could have been used to clean up their production processes, pay their engineers and machinists appropriately, design and build new airplanes, upgrade production facilities, etc, etc, etc. This is the problem with our current corporate model: it's all about short term gain and quarterly earnings, damn the long term viability and success of the company. There are apparently not enough incentives for shareholders to think long term. Not sure how we fix that, but we need to.
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yeah, there’s nothing boeing could have done with that money except “let it sit around”


nevermind the absolute comedy of thinking it’s smart business to be buying shares when times are good (at high prices) and selling them when times are bad (at low prices).
Agreed. The real problem is that the ones making these decisions are incentivized to make short-term solutions since they pay out based on them. Why would a CEO care about what that money would do to the stock price in five/ten years when they are worried about getting their bonus next quarter? The system sucks, and it's why I am glad that places like SpaceX and Starlink are, for now, at least, staying private. It allows for the business to develop outside of the yearly bonus structure most corps use.
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