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Old 09-29-2024, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Jdub2
there ya go, that’s a great reason to be critical of the new CEO
He's in a tough spot. He needs to have good labor relations, and his prior history shows that it's in his wheelhouse to do so.

But losses are spiralling, not sure at what point that could have a long-term impact on the future direction of the company. Boeing of all companies can probably access credit based on future prospects, due to the demand for their product and the near complete lack of plausible alternatives (airbus can't make planes fast enough to unilaterally cover global demand).

On top of that, the previous leadership cashed out the future of the company by outsourcing and cutting union contracts to the bone, and into the bone. He's going to have to fix that, so he's already coming from behind.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
He's in a tough spot. He needs to have good labor relations, and his prior history shows that it's in his wheelhouse to do so.

But losses are spiralling, not sure at what point that could have a long-term impact on the future direction of the company. Boeing of all companies can probably access credit based on future prospects, due to the demand for their product and the near complete lack of plausible alternatives (airbus can't make planes fast enough to unilaterally cover global demand).

On top of that, the previous leadership cashed out the future of the company by outsourcing and cutting union contracts to the bone, and into the bone. He's going to have to fix that, so he's already coming from behind.
Sounds like a recipe for M&A’s ahead.
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Old 09-29-2024, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
He's in a tough spot. He needs to have good labor relations, and his prior history shows that it's in his wheelhouse to do so.

But losses are spiralling, not sure at what point that could have a long-term impact on the future direction of the company. Boeing of all companies can probably access credit based on future prospects, due to the demand for their product and the near complete lack of plausible alternatives (airbus can't make planes fast enough to unilaterally cover global demand).

On top of that, the previous leadership cashed out the future of the company by outsourcing and cutting union contracts to the bone, and into the bone. He's going to have to fix that, so he's already coming from behind.
agree with all, but presenting offers directly to membership without negotiating is a bad faith move per se
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agree with all, but presenting offers directly to membership without negotiating is a bad faith move per se
100% a bad move.
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Can't Biden order them back to work?
He should.

Same goes for the longshoremen.
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I think the fact that Boeing management sent an offer directly to the media--as well as to all employee work emails--and not to the union was a bad move. The CEO wanted to negotiate in the court of public opinion and ignore the union completely.

They're at a stalemate. They met for mediation for the third time on Friday and Boeing management didn't want to talk. There are no more talks scheduled at this time.
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Can't Biden order them back to work?
He should.

Same goes for the longshoremen.

If Union Joe did that a month prior to the election, it’d be a political catastrophe for the democrats.
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I think the fact that Boeing management sent an offer directly to the media--as well as to all employee work emails--and not to the union was a bad move. The CEO wanted to negotiate in the court of public opinion and ignore the union completely.
That’s Union Busting 101
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Originally Posted by Ravenwing
I think the fact that Boeing management sent an offer directly to the media--as well as to all employee work emails--and not to the union was a bad move. The CEO wanted to negotiate in the court of public opinion and ignore the union completely.

They're at a stalemate. They met for mediation for the third time on Friday and Boeing management didn't want to talk. There are no more talks scheduled at this time.
Took a page from Robert Isom.
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