Jumpseaters: why enter the cockpit so early?
06-25-2024, 08:56 AM
#51
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Reading the replys here, the entitlement attitude is prevelent.
I had a recent flight with two jumpseaters. One did everything right. One did everything wrong. It motivated me to make this post.
The guy who did everything wrong:
-Shows up 40 minutes before departure and says "they got me up here"
-Starts stowing his bag in the cockpit and pulls out the seat.
-After about two mintues with no ID shown. I ask for his ID and required documents. He gets offended thinking that the uniform was enough.
-Smells like a well used jock strap.
-Gets very comfortble and rests his feet on the center panel so the FO has to reach under his foot for the acars printer.
-In the way when we need to take our PDP.
(this particular station has an issue with jumpseaters waiting in the jetway claming TSA regulations)
The guy who did everything right:
-Boards among the last of the passengers.
-Politely asks for a ride while showing required documents.
-Asked us where we would like his bags to be placed and if we needed to use the restroom before he unfolded the seat.
-Asked us how he can be of any assistance.
See the difference? Both pilots and their bags were accomodated in the cockpit. One was an inconvience, the other was pleasant to have.
I've delayed flights to get jumpseaters on. If I ask for your documents, enough time has elapsed that you should have already presented them.
The pilots who are doing everything wrong are getting more common. Jumpseat etiquette used to be covered day 1 indoc. I must assume they no longer teach this as I see it mostly from the younger crowd.
I had a recent flight with two jumpseaters. One did everything right. One did everything wrong. It motivated me to make this post.
The guy who did everything wrong:
-Shows up 40 minutes before departure and says "they got me up here"
-Starts stowing his bag in the cockpit and pulls out the seat.
-After about two mintues with no ID shown. I ask for his ID and required documents. He gets offended thinking that the uniform was enough.
-Smells like a well used jock strap.
-Gets very comfortble and rests his feet on the center panel so the FO has to reach under his foot for the acars printer.
-In the way when we need to take our PDP.
(this particular station has an issue with jumpseaters waiting in the jetway claming TSA regulations)
The guy who did everything right:
-Boards among the last of the passengers.
-Politely asks for a ride while showing required documents.
-Asked us where we would like his bags to be placed and if we needed to use the restroom before he unfolded the seat.
-Asked us how he can be of any assistance.
See the difference? Both pilots and their bags were accomodated in the cockpit. One was an inconvience, the other was pleasant to have.
I've delayed flights to get jumpseaters on. If I ask for your documents, enough time has elapsed that you should have already presented them.
The pilots who are doing everything wrong are getting more common. Jumpseat etiquette used to be covered day 1 indoc. I must assume they no longer teach this as I see it mostly from the younger crowd.
I'm a commuter, been so for a long time. I really apprecaite the rides and I will always be respectful to the crew offering me the opportunity to go with them. You seem to be obsessed with this. I'm really sorry you get so wound up about it. Life is short, you should lighten up a bit. We're all on the same team brother.
06-25-2024, 03:18 PM
#52
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The OP is an a$$ hat. I'm going to counter their poorly thought-out complaint.
In fact, I will actually get mad (kidding) if a jumpseater shows up at the end of boarding. I don't want to review your documents right as we are running the pushback checklist or when the tug driver is calling. I also don't want to see you scramble looking for bag space at our departure time only to take a delay while you gate check it.
Come down whenever you want, stow your bag, and stand anywhere you want. If you want to stand in the cockpit, that's fine. I can't occupy the pilot seat and the flight deck entrance at the same time anyway.
In fact, I will actually get mad (kidding) if a jumpseater shows up at the end of boarding. I don't want to review your documents right as we are running the pushback checklist or when the tug driver is calling. I also don't want to see you scramble looking for bag space at our departure time only to take a delay while you gate check it.
Come down whenever you want, stow your bag, and stand anywhere you want. If you want to stand in the cockpit, that's fine. I can't occupy the pilot seat and the flight deck entrance at the same time anyway.
06-25-2024, 03:20 PM
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I also don't understand the issue some have with jumpseaters. Yeah, that person is a stranger, but so is the other pilot I'm working with! Most of the time, they are on another fleet, at another base, or at another airline, so they actually have some more interesting rumors to discuss. And then what do these anti-jumpseaters do when they fly a widebody? Are they mad when there is a 3rd or a 4th pilot?
06-25-2024, 09:00 PM
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As a 737 captain, I honestly prefer if a jumpseater plugs in I always offer but say if they don't want to that's cool too. I feel like it's easier to talk to everyone without one ear off and yelling the entire time.
06-26-2024, 04:11 AM
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I don't feel bad that the crew is chatting away without me. I don't really want to be social. I just want to go home.
06-26-2024, 05:30 AM
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Reading the replys here, the entitlement attitude is prevelent.
I had a recent flight with two jumpseaters. One did everything right. One did everything wrong. It motivated me to make this post.
The guy who did everything wrong:
-Shows up 40 minutes before departure and says "they got me up here"
-Starts stowing his bag in the cockpit and pulls out the seat.
-After about two mintues with no ID shown. I ask for his ID and required documents. He gets offended thinking that the uniform was enough.
-Smells like a well used jock strap.
-Gets very comfortble and rests his feet on the center panel so the FO has to reach under his foot for the acars printer.
-In the way when we need to take our PDP.
(this particular station has an issue with jumpseaters waiting in the jetway claming TSA regulations)
The guy who did everything right:
-Boards among the last of the passengers.
-Politely asks for a ride while showing required documents.
-Asked us where we would like his bags to be placed and if we needed to use the restroom before he unfolded the seat.
-Asked us how he can be of any assistance.
See the difference? Both pilots and their bags were accomodated in the cockpit. One was an inconvience, the other was pleasant to have.
I've delayed flights to get jumpseaters on. If I ask for your documents, enough time has elapsed that you should have already presented them.
The pilots who are doing everything wrong are getting more common. Jumpseat etiquette used to be covered day 1 indoc. I must assume they no longer teach this as I see it mostly from the younger crowd.
I had a recent flight with two jumpseaters. One did everything right. One did everything wrong. It motivated me to make this post.
The guy who did everything wrong:
-Shows up 40 minutes before departure and says "they got me up here"
-Starts stowing his bag in the cockpit and pulls out the seat.
-After about two mintues with no ID shown. I ask for his ID and required documents. He gets offended thinking that the uniform was enough.
-Smells like a well used jock strap.
-Gets very comfortble and rests his feet on the center panel so the FO has to reach under his foot for the acars printer.
-In the way when we need to take our PDP.
(this particular station has an issue with jumpseaters waiting in the jetway claming TSA regulations)
The guy who did everything right:
-Boards among the last of the passengers.
-Politely asks for a ride while showing required documents.
-Asked us where we would like his bags to be placed and if we needed to use the restroom before he unfolded the seat.
-Asked us how he can be of any assistance.
See the difference? Both pilots and their bags were accomodated in the cockpit. One was an inconvience, the other was pleasant to have.
I've delayed flights to get jumpseaters on. If I ask for your documents, enough time has elapsed that you should have already presented them.
The pilots who are doing everything wrong are getting more common. Jumpseat etiquette used to be covered day 1 indoc. I must assume they no longer teach this as I see it mostly from the younger crowd.
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