Jumpseaters: why enter the cockpit so early?
#11
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what is this you the other day asking me for my documents?
#12
Why do you do this?
The etiquette used to be always come down with the last of the passengers so as not to crowd the flight deck.
In the last few years, I have seen an influx of jumpseaters who come down the jetbridge 35 mintues before departure and crowd the flight deck awkwardly staring over us as we do our business.
I can't really ask them to stand in the jetbridge because TSA regulations don't allow them to leave once boarded. Some stations enforce this more than others.
Please stop doing this.
Oh yeah... don't make me ask for your documents. Hand them over as you ask for a ride.
The etiquette used to be always come down with the last of the passengers so as not to crowd the flight deck.
In the last few years, I have seen an influx of jumpseaters who come down the jetbridge 35 mintues before departure and crowd the flight deck awkwardly staring over us as we do our business.
I can't really ask them to stand in the jetbridge because TSA regulations don't allow them to leave once boarded. Some stations enforce this more than others.
Please stop doing this.
Oh yeah... don't make me ask for your documents. Hand them over as you ask for a ride.
95% of domestic CA's don't make the walk anymore, so this is what you get. As a CA it's your fault.
#13
Have you worked at an airline the past 3 years? Gate agents are entirely incompetent now. If a jumpseater waits until all pax are boarded it's 50/50 the agent slams the door in your face and says tough luck. OR they can't figure out how to check you in last minute and say tough luck.
95% of domestic CA's don't make the walk anymore, so this is what you get. As a CA it's your fault.
95% of domestic CA's don't make the walk anymore, so this is what you get. As a CA it's your fault.
As an FO, I make it a point to back up the CA if we have JSers and point it out at D-15 if I see they still don't have a seat. Comms are key. I've made the walk to help out when the CA was swamped with FA issues or mx.
Good luck yall.
#14
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I prefer jumpseaters board first and check in. I'm a lot less busy and time crunched at D-35 than D-10.
Certainly hang out in the bridge after until boarding is complete once bag is stowed, but don't wait until we are close to departure time to check in.
Certainly hang out in the bridge after until boarding is complete once bag is stowed, but don't wait until we are close to departure time to check in.
#15
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Anyone who has commuted for any period of time has at least one version of the following stories:
1. Gate agent waited too long to clear JS, got in a rush, and closed the door, leaving you behind.
2. Captain acted put out and out of sorts that the JSer is alive and sharing the same space as them.
Guessing the OP is often the antagonist in version 2.
Commuting is awful enough without treating each other with respect and kindness. Nobody wants to sit on the flight deck jumpseat. Also, a lot of captains aren't interested in seeing docs if the badge matches the paperwork, so if I am not handing you a pile of licenses, that's why. It's no problem for me to fish them out.
Someone said it above, but these posts make it obvious if someone commutes or not.
#16
While I absolutely respect the CA's right to see them, but I don't have my docs in hand when I board.
I found out many years ago in ORD that a dropped medical cert fits very nicely through the gap between the plane and the jetbridge.
Me, the CA and the FO ended up scouring the ramp for the damn thing. They don't call it the Windy City for nothing.
I keep my licesense and medical in a slot in my badge holder, that way they're readily accessible.
I found out many years ago in ORD that a dropped medical cert fits very nicely through the gap between the plane and the jetbridge.
Me, the CA and the FO ended up scouring the ramp for the damn thing. They don't call it the Windy City for nothing.
I keep my licesense and medical in a slot in my badge holder, that way they're readily accessible.
#17
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Reading this is painful...
Managing the pre-departure routine is not quite as complex as launching a space shuttle, although by reading this thread it would seem that it is for some. Personally, if a jumperseater comes down early, late or in between, I have no problem taking a moment from whatever I am dealing with to say hello and make sure they are taken care of. As a 30+ year commuter, I feel their pain and treat them as I appreciate being treated.
Take care of each other out there. Don't make an easy job harder than it needs to be.
S
Managing the pre-departure routine is not quite as complex as launching a space shuttle, although by reading this thread it would seem that it is for some. Personally, if a jumperseater comes down early, late or in between, I have no problem taking a moment from whatever I am dealing with to say hello and make sure they are taken care of. As a 30+ year commuter, I feel their pain and treat them as I appreciate being treated.
Take care of each other out there. Don't make an easy job harder than it needs to be.
S
#18
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Even if I’m wrong, the ALPA guidelines for jumpseat etiquette have said for many years to “leave your bags on the jetbridge” when checking in with the CA. Which would require leaving the plane to retrieve them once you’re checked in. Probably at the very least your jumpseat status as a crew member would negate any rules about leaving the aircraft when boarded.
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#20
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Why do you do this?
The etiquette used to be always come down with the last of the passengers so as not to crowd the flight deck.
In the last few years, I have seen an influx of jumpseaters who come down the jetbridge 35 mintues before departure and crowd the flight deck awkwardly staring over us as we do our business.
I can't really ask them to stand in the jetbridge because TSA regulations don't allow them to leave once boarded. Some stations enforce this more than others.
Please stop doing this.
Oh yeah... don't make me ask for your documents. Hand them over as you ask for a ride.
The etiquette used to be always come down with the last of the passengers so as not to crowd the flight deck.
In the last few years, I have seen an influx of jumpseaters who come down the jetbridge 35 mintues before departure and crowd the flight deck awkwardly staring over us as we do our business.
I can't really ask them to stand in the jetbridge because TSA regulations don't allow them to leave once boarded. Some stations enforce this more than others.
Please stop doing this.
Oh yeah... don't make me ask for your documents. Hand them over as you ask for a ride.
1. I want to get my bag stowed somewhere on the plane besides getting checked, especially on the 737. It is a PITA to have to check it.
2. Sometimes, it has happened; the gate agent forgets about me and closes the flight while I am standing there off to the side. I would always try to get a JS pass and get down there before anything wonky would happen.
3. I always check in with the captain when it's less busy, stow my bags, head to the jet bridge, and wait there. I never once had anyone tell me I couldn't do that.
4. If you are a regular WN commuter, you may just be used to getting down there early as that's how we do it.
5. Lastly, its not that big of a deal to have a commuter interrupt or stand there, its not like we are performing open heart surgery where every second counts. 99% of the time we are all just staring at our phones or shooting the **** once the brief and setup is done.
It's nothing personal. I don't want to be over your shoulder or bug you, let alone sit in the JS anymore more than you do. However, know that you can and always are welcome on mine and I will try to stay out of your way as best as possible. Commuting is stressful.
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