Jumpseaters: why enter the cockpit so early?
07-12-2024, 06:48 AM
#141
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Same. If you have the jumpseat reserved, I’ve never had pushback going down with the crew. If you ask nice, they will even scan you on, let you stow your bags (looking at you 737), and let you scan off and wait out of everyone’s way and get on last.
07-12-2024, 09:40 AM
#142
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Long winded post providing an great example of exactly the issue with DAL these days, thanks.
You know at other airlines they'll let you go down and stow your bag and check in with the crew so it's not a scramble last minute, but oh, I just answered the OPs question.
If a Delta guy shows up 15 prior to take his rightful jumpseat, the other guy can, you know, just leave. It's really not a big deal.
But no no, let's just make people stand around until the very end (and usually far before 15 anyway!) and then say it's so close to departure you have to check your bag stat.
It's called empathy, but naw, it makes sense the way it is!
You know at other airlines they'll let you go down and stow your bag and check in with the crew so it's not a scramble last minute, but oh, I just answered the OPs question.
If a Delta guy shows up 15 prior to take his rightful jumpseat, the other guy can, you know, just leave. It's really not a big deal.
But no no, let's just make people stand around until the very end (and usually far before 15 anyway!) and then say it's so close to departure you have to check your bag stat.
It's called empathy, but naw, it makes sense the way it is!
You missed the point. I told you I commute on OALs. I've been bumped off thier JS for their pilot(s) on any number of occaisions. they have the prioroty always over an OAL. If we do what you profess, with no other seats available I get to retrieve my bag and then depart the airplane. To avoid that, when commuting on OALs, in thier JS, I check in with the GA then wait to go down. If I'm indeed "the rider" (becasue no other pilot from that airline showed up for their JS at the last minute) then I go down. Sometimes I get to meet the Captain before. They tell me I'm welcome to put my bag someplace, but I say "Thank you, if you don't mind I'll just wait up here to see if I'm actually going to be on your JS or not".
Nothing is different at DAL as far as the JS. A DAL pilot can bump you off the JS if you are OAL all the way up to 15 minutes prior. Those are our rules and the rules of any other airline. I've been bumped off UAL, AA, JB, SWA and even our own "WO'd" Endeavor JS's. Those are just the perks of commuting (that's sarcasm). Please stop trying to say that DAL is different when it comes to OAL JS'ers versus our own pilots. It's not.
Now, the non rev thing - yeah we all suffer that. Our own employees and OALs non -rev'ing. You are not going to be cleared a seat (if available) until at least 30 minutes prior (thats when the last upgrades can be made by the pax). Most times non-revs (of all flavors, including us DAL folks) don't get cleared unitl aroun 15 or so prior.
07-12-2024, 09:51 AM
#143
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Maybe it was an RPA thing (since that's who I was JS-ing on at the time) but the gate agent had a specific bag tag that definitely had a Delta brand on it and it said "CREW BAG" on it. Yellow and white tag as I recall. I was told to leave the bag at the top of the jetbridge and ramp retrieved it and brought it to me at the destination. It was really nice of them to do and I was deeply grateful.
07-12-2024, 01:35 PM
#144
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Really?
You missed the point. I told you I commute on OALs. I've been bumped off thier JS for their pilot(s) on any number of occaisions. they have the prioroty always over an OAL. If we do what you profess, with no other seats available I get to retrieve my bag and then depart the airplane. To avoid that, when commuting on OALs, in thier JS, I check in with the GA then wait to go down. If I'm indeed "the rider" (becasue no other pilot from that airline showed up for their JS at the last minute) then I go down. Sometimes I get to meet the Captain before. They tell me I'm welcome to put my bag someplace, but I say "Thank you, if you don't mind I'll just wait up here to see if I'm actually going to be on your JS or not".
Nothing is different at DAL as far as the JS. A DAL pilot can bump you off the JS if you are OAL all the way up to 15 minutes prior. Those are our rules and the rules of any other airline. I've been bumped off UAL, AA, JB, SWA and even our own "WO'd" Endeavor JS's. Those are just the perks of commuting (that's sarcasm). Please stop trying to say that DAL is different when it comes to OAL JS'ers versus our own pilots. It's not.
Now, the non rev thing - yeah we all suffer that. Our own employees and OALs non -rev'ing. You are not going to be cleared a seat (if available) until at least 30 minutes prior (thats when the last upgrades can be made by the pax). Most times non-revs (of all flavors, including us DAL folks) don't get cleared unitl aroun 15 or so prior.
You missed the point. I told you I commute on OALs. I've been bumped off thier JS for their pilot(s) on any number of occaisions. they have the prioroty always over an OAL. If we do what you profess, with no other seats available I get to retrieve my bag and then depart the airplane. To avoid that, when commuting on OALs, in thier JS, I check in with the GA then wait to go down. If I'm indeed "the rider" (becasue no other pilot from that airline showed up for their JS at the last minute) then I go down. Sometimes I get to meet the Captain before. They tell me I'm welcome to put my bag someplace, but I say "Thank you, if you don't mind I'll just wait up here to see if I'm actually going to be on your JS or not".
Nothing is different at DAL as far as the JS. A DAL pilot can bump you off the JS if you are OAL all the way up to 15 minutes prior. Those are our rules and the rules of any other airline. I've been bumped off UAL, AA, JB, SWA and even our own "WO'd" Endeavor JS's. Those are just the perks of commuting (that's sarcasm). Please stop trying to say that DAL is different when it comes to OAL JS'ers versus our own pilots. It's not.
Now, the non rev thing - yeah we all suffer that. Our own employees and OALs non -rev'ing. You are not going to be cleared a seat (if available) until at least 30 minutes prior (thats when the last upgrades can be made by the pax). Most times non-revs (of all flavors, including us DAL folks) don't get cleared unitl aroun 15 or so prior.
07-12-2024, 03:55 PM
#145
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You’ve missed the entire point. I think in most people’s commuting experience on or offline, they are not taking the only seat on the airplane (the JS) most of the time. If there are 10 seats open on a DL flight and you are the only person listed and definitely getting a ride, you have to check your bag because you are forced to board last. No one else does this. That is the difference. Not who gets what seat because that is the same everywhere.
07-13-2024, 09:10 AM
#146
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Why do you do this?
The etiquette used to be always come down with the last of the passengers so as not to crowd the flight deck.
In the last few years, I have seen an influx of jumpseaters who come down the jetbridge 35 mintues before departure and crowd the flight deck awkwardly staring over us as we do our business.
I can't really ask them to stand in the jetbridge because TSA regulations don't allow them to leave once boarded. Some stations enforce this more than others.
Please stop doing this.
Oh yeah... don't make me ask for your documents. Hand them over as you ask for a ride.
The etiquette used to be always come down with the last of the passengers so as not to crowd the flight deck.
In the last few years, I have seen an influx of jumpseaters who come down the jetbridge 35 mintues before departure and crowd the flight deck awkwardly staring over us as we do our business.
I can't really ask them to stand in the jetbridge because TSA regulations don't allow them to leave once boarded. Some stations enforce this more than others.
Please stop doing this.
Oh yeah... don't make me ask for your documents. Hand them over as you ask for a ride.
On a related note: is DL the only airline that requires docs for a JS rider who is cleared into a cabin seat? Every other airline FOM I've seen (and practice I've experienced), the JS documents matrix clearly states OAL JS in a cabin seat need only to present airline ID and boarding pass to the captain. License and medical is only for OAL occupying the cockpit JS.
Some people make everything more difficult than it needs to be. Does HR target that personality, or do they teach it down there in indoc?
07-13-2024, 12:44 PM
#147
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Tell me you work for Trading Cards Air Lines without telling me....
On a related note: is DL the only airline that requires docs for a JS rider who is cleared into a cabin seat? Every other airline FOM I've seen (and practice I've experienced), the JS documents matrix clearly states OAL JS in a cabin seat need only to present airline ID and boarding pass to the captain. License and medical is only for OAL occupying the cockpit JS.
Some people make everything more difficult than it needs to be. Does HR target that personality, or do they teach it down there in indoc?
On a related note: is DL the only airline that requires docs for a JS rider who is cleared into a cabin seat? Every other airline FOM I've seen (and practice I've experienced), the JS documents matrix clearly states OAL JS in a cabin seat need only to present airline ID and boarding pass to the captain. License and medical is only for OAL occupying the cockpit JS.
Some people make everything more difficult than it needs to be. Does HR target that personality, or do they teach it down there in indoc?
07-15-2024, 11:02 AM
#148
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If you have a seat assignment on the boarding document I just say welcome. If you have jumpseat on the boarding document I ask to see the docs just to be able to honestly say I verified credentials per company procedure. I'm guessing that I'm the typical example.
07-15-2024, 05:55 PM
#149
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Tell me you work for Trading Cards Air Lines without telling me....
On a related note: is DL the only airline that requires docs for a JS rider who is cleared into a cabin seat? Every other airline FOM I've seen (and practice I've experienced), the JS documents matrix clearly states OAL JS in a cabin seat need only to present airline ID and boarding pass to the captain. License and medical is only for OAL occupying the cockpit JS.
Some people make everything more difficult than it needs to be. Does HR target that personality, or do they teach it down there in indoc?
On a related note: is DL the only airline that requires docs for a JS rider who is cleared into a cabin seat? Every other airline FOM I've seen (and practice I've experienced), the JS documents matrix clearly states OAL JS in a cabin seat need only to present airline ID and boarding pass to the captain. License and medical is only for OAL occupying the cockpit JS.
Some people make everything more difficult than it needs to be. Does HR target that personality, or do they teach it down there in indoc?
Reading this thread has made me realize two things.
1. The seven years of commuting I did really sucked and I’m so thankful I don’t do it anymore.
2. Southwest has the best process hands down.
07-16-2024, 05:42 AM
#150
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Tell me you work for Trading Cards Air Lines without telling me....
On a related note: is DL the only airline that requires docs for a JS rider who is cleared into a cabin seat? Every other airline FOM I've seen (and practice I've experienced), the JS documents matrix clearly states OAL JS in a cabin seat need only to present airline ID and boarding pass to the captain. License and medical is only for OAL occupying the cockpit JS.
Some people make everything more difficult than it needs to be. Does HR target that personality, or do they teach it down there in indoc?
On a related note: is DL the only airline that requires docs for a JS rider who is cleared into a cabin seat? Every other airline FOM I've seen (and practice I've experienced), the JS documents matrix clearly states OAL JS in a cabin seat need only to present airline ID and boarding pass to the captain. License and medical is only for OAL occupying the cockpit JS.
Some people make everything more difficult than it needs to be. Does HR target that personality, or do they teach it down there in indoc?
I work for that airline and had only ever asked for all the docs if they're up front. A few months back, I had a LCA who got a seat in the back and just checked his badge/ticket. When I was walking of the jet, he was standing there and gave me the "hey man, just looking out," talk and said that a Captain had recently gotten time off without pay for not checking all the docs of a JSer who got a seat in the back (I'm guessing it never happened). That's the first I'd ever heard of the requirement. IMHO, the FOM isn't clear on this one, but someone seems to think it is. Anywho, that might be why you experience it.
That said, if I'm riding the JS at any airline, I always show up with all my docs out ready for the Captain, even if I have a seat in the back. I don't see why it's such a big deal to have your docs ready. I just want to quickly get out of the crews way so they can get back to work or playing angry birds. If they don't want them, then great. I was actaully taught this at my regional and at AAL before I got here.
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