Delta vs American (newbie)
06-20-2024, 09:41 AM
#51
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suss will be back to say he told you so when it’s only 2790 instead of 2800.
06-20-2024, 09:54 AM
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lol, sure. I have some ocean front property in New Mexico really cheap to sell you too.
06-20-2024, 11:45 AM
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2800 newhires + 900 retirements means the first guy hired in January 2025 will have 2800 guys behind him. He'll be approx. 16,100 out of 18,000 line pilots. That's 11% behind him. In 2025 roughly another 900 retirements. If AA hires 900 replacements (no net growth) he'd have 16% behind him by the end of 2025. Five and 15% are historical percentages, especially 15%, that provided a degree of expected protection from furlough. With the economy's strength and the industry currently looking like it has relatively smooth sailing ahead the long term retirement cycle is providing a large degree of protection to the pilots being hired *11* years into a hiring cycle (minus the COVID-19 pause which, shockingly, resulted in almost no furloughs at the major airline level.
06-20-2024, 11:47 AM
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2800 newhires + 900 retirements means the first guy hired in January 2025 will have 2800 guys behind him. He'll be approx. 16,100 out of 18,000 line pilots. That's 11% behind him. In 2025 roughly another 900 retirements. If AA hires 900 replacements (no net growth) he'd have 16% behind him by the end of 2025. Five and 15% are historical percentages, especially 15%, that provided a degree of expected protection from furlough. With the economy's strength and the industry currently looking like it has relatively smooth sailing ahead the long term retirement cycle is providing a large degree of protection to the pilots being hired *11* years into a hiring cycle (minus the COVID-19 pause which, shockingly, resulted in almost no furloughs at the major airline level.
* - with long term GDP related growth it should be less than 20 years. Anyone want to do the math with 2% annual growth in the pilot corps at AA and DL?
06-20-2024, 12:34 PM
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To the OP, definitely Delta now.
06-20-2024, 01:54 PM
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go somewhere that can accurately predict their business plans 😂
06-20-2024, 02:00 PM
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What do you clowns have to say about the latest news that just dropped? I am not happy about it at all obviously and it is pretty devastating to us all working at AA, but you people just can't believe everything these corporate types tell you. Must be new to the industry. We'll really need that 2800 to hit next year just to maintain an average of 1500 per year between 24/25.
To the OP, definitely Delta now.
To the OP, definitely Delta now.
GMAFB when will the board say enough is enough with this airline… I’m not saying the sky is falling at AA but man every day it’s getting a little harder.
06-20-2024, 02:20 PM
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What do you clowns have to say about the latest news that just dropped? I am not happy about it at all obviously and it is pretty devastating to us all working at AA, but you people just can't believe everything these corporate types tell you. Must be new to the industry. We'll really need that 2800 to hit next year just to maintain an average of 1500 per year between 24/25.
To the OP, definitely Delta now.
To the OP, definitely Delta now.
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