Originally Posted by BrazilBusDriver

Haha, 1500fpm? Maybe on a light 321 NEO. Try dragging one of those IAE EPR sleepers (and not sleeper as sleeper car, more like unconscious) up to 30,000’ on a hot day, fully loaded, on a Transcon. Maybe 700-800fpm for the last 6000-7000’. 500-600fpm if you wanna make time by climbing at faster airspeeds than an RJ. Wanna use that speed hold climb mode? Watch it go to 0 vertical speed every other time you hit turbulence.

Wanna get over weather? Good luck, Chuck. Center, requesting 20 left.

You bid the bus, you’ll learn to fly it right to the edge of the envelope. A stupid, but obviously cost effective envelope. Which is what we get paid for, I guess. To be fair to Airbus, I doubt the 737-10 will be any better than the 321NEOs.

Originally Posted by Sliceback

It's narrow body hub flying. Hello....what do you think it's going to be???

Want better flying? Fly out and back turns, especially to non-hub airports. Fly O&D trips. Fly Mexico/Caribbean turns. Fly 2 leg transcons. Who gets those? The more senior guys.

At AA try putting 'avoid CLT' in your bid status. Keep track of what your awards look like if you include that. CLT has a bunch of short legs. Easy enough to cram a bunch of short legs into a trip, or every day, to add more time/hard time. The problem is a a 1:00 has a 45-60 minutes connection time. That equates to a lot of sit time (unproductive time) over a multi-day trip. With 'avoid CLT' you might be able to avoid a lot of the N/S east coast flying which has more short leg flying.

Before people complain "it's gotten so bad" this what east coast hub flying is like. Been that way for decades. When AA was trying to build a RDU hub we flew a lot of short flights. DL and Eastern did it out of ATL. USAIR had it out of DCA/PHL/PIT. Piedmont out of CLT. SW does short legs but their hub centric model became more common once MDW and BWI became larger.

The one good thing was back in the 1980's Saturday's ran about a 2/3's schedule. Sunday AM was about a 2/3's schedule building up around midday and by late afternoon it was back to 100% capacity. That was the nice part of junior flying - it was quieter, airports less crowded, less chaos, less flights, less stress, etc. on Saturdays and part of Sunday.

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

This guy is a nAAtive American retiree and doesn't know squat about what's going on right now at CLT/DCA/PHL except when he's using his retiree benefits. Take his comments in that context as he tells us about the good old 1980s.

Originally Posted by Sliceback

The 737-800 ain't a rocket ship either. At OPT ALT the 'window' is about 30 kts. At 1000' above OPT ALT it's about 20 kts. The A321 is slightly worse. That's where the efficiency is...they built it with just enough wing. Not the wings we like that allow us to get high and heavy...it's enough to do the job efficiently. Don't bring up the 727-200 or MD-80's, the 737-800 puts them to shame in the altitude fight. The 757 beats all the n/b's in the performance comparison except the one that matters the most - efficiency.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Does the XLR have bigger engines than the NEO?

Originally Posted by BrazilBusDriver

Thats fair, and as much as I’d love to, I can’t speak to the 757 from any place of experience despite having the type from my limited time on the 767.

For the 321 vs 737 debate, I’d argue it also matters where you hit optimum, and again I’m sure the 737-10s will fair little to no better than the 321NEOs. Memory is a bit fuzzy at this point, but I remember 800NGs being capable of mid-30s to start on Transcons. 300-320 is a bit more common for the 321 from my experience and it’s a bigger chore to get it there. But the 800s slot in between a 320 and 321 seating-wise so it’s not apples to apples.

For domestic ops, I’m sure the 321s and 737-10s will perform about the same. Guess the edge goes to 321s with the XLR, which unfortunately makes it the 757 replacement. As you say- Might not perform, but it will be cost effective. I hope to enjoy flying the tracks at FL290🤣

Originally Posted by Sliceback

It's narrow body hub flying. Hello....what do you think it's going to be???

Want better flying? Fly out and back turns, especially to non-hub airports. Fly O&D trips. Fly Mexico/Caribbean turns. Fly 2 leg transcons. Who gets those? The more senior guys.

At AA try putting 'avoid CLT' in your bid status. Keep track of what your awards look like if you include that. CLT has a bunch of short legs. Easy enough to cram a bunch of short legs into a trip, or every day, to add more time/hard time. The problem is a a 1:00 has a 45-60 minutes connection time. That equates to a lot of sit time (unproductive time) over a multi-day trip. With 'avoid CLT' you might be able to avoid a lot of the N/S east coast flying which has more short leg flying.

Before people complain "it's gotten so bad" this what east coast hub flying is like. Been that way for decades. When AA was trying to build a RDU hub we flew a lot of short flights. DL and Eastern did it out of ATL. USAIR had it out of DCA/PHL/PIT. Piedmont out of CLT. SW does short legs but their hub centric model became more common once MDW and BWI became larger.

The one good thing was back in the 1980's Saturday's ran about a 2/3's schedule. Sunday AM was about a 2/3's schedule building up around midday and by late afternoon it was back to 100% capacity. That was the nice part of junior flying - it was quieter, airports less crowded, less chaos, less flights, less stress, etc. on Saturdays and part of Sunday.

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

This guy is a nAAtive American retiree and doesn't know squat about what's going on right now at CLT/DCA/PHL except when he's using his retiree benefits. Take his comments in that context as he tells us about the good old 1980s.

Originally Posted by 450knotOffice

While I'm generally in agreement with your posts, in this case, that was uncalled for, AND he's actually correct. He actually apparently DOES know what's going on in those bases right now. Retired or not, he nailed it. Slice is a good guy and has generally been an intelligent and insightful contributor to this forum for many years. You've been at AA for how long? I remember when you made the jump from Allegiant not that long ago, so maybe back down a bit on your apparent know it all hubris about AA.

As for his post, if you feel he doesn't know squat about what's going on at CLT/DCA/PHL, tell us where he's wrong.

Originally Posted by PRS Guitars

Agreed, SB is pretty well informed and also even keeled and not prone to hyperbole.