Offline Jumpseat "Checking in"
06-21-2024, 07:27 AM
#81
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Interesting. At my airline it’s not required by the FOM (anymore), but pretty much all FA’s check in.
My only pet peeve about that is, if you are going to check in, don’t be like the ones who essentially throw their boarding pass on the center console, interrupt the conversation/brief, and announce “I’m your jumpseater”.
Etiquette and courtesy are not hard, and go a long way.
My only pet peeve about that is, if you are going to check in, don’t be like the ones who essentially throw their boarding pass on the center console, interrupt the conversation/brief, and announce “I’m your jumpseater”.
Etiquette and courtesy are not hard, and go a long way.
06-21-2024, 08:41 AM
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That would be a nice ASAP close out. “You’re a big boy, deal with it better.”
task interruption has been a hot topic in the past. It’s just funny to me that checking ID’s of people in the back is seen as necessary when we are supposed to be focusing on things up front. It just adds to the multiple things that can break a preflight pattern.
task interruption has been a hot topic in the past. It’s just funny to me that checking ID’s of people in the back is seen as necessary when we are supposed to be focusing on things up front. It just adds to the multiple things that can break a preflight pattern.
At, swa, is an OAL FA a non rev or FA jumpseater? If non rev, why wouldn’t a pilot with C31 be considered one?
full disclose, I check in no matter what. And, I understand doing what manuals say. That doesn’t mean the process couldn’t be better.
The problem is that the authorization which is used to allow jumpseating is under the pretext that you're considered an additional crew member, and you accept those responsibilities.
Let me give you an extreme example. Suppose you're a pilot, not wearing a uniform, you're enjoying time off and are going someplace fun and you have a seat in the back:
1. If you are on a jumpseat pass, you are considered an additional crew, so you cannot drink alcohol. If you do, you can get terminated. Supposedly, we've had a pilot face termination over this.
2. If you're on a pure nonrev pass, feel free to enjoy the full bar.
How the company chooses to address these is on them... I just try to protect my multimillion dollar career by abiding with what's in the book, and if it takes me a minute longer because I got interrupted by a jumpseat request, so be it.
06-21-2024, 08:52 AM
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That sounds like something you should bring up to your management and hope they change the FOM. Until they do, you really have two choices - comply with the FOM, or don't comply with the FOM. It's really that simple. And if I get interrupted, I start the process over, and I don't release the brakes until I'm satisfied that all preflight checks have been completed, and if it's a minute or five late, it is what it is. It's really just that simple.
At SWA, OAL FA's are considered nonrevs because they cannot occupy an actual jumpseat and ergo do not need to check in with the captain. Conversely, we do offer cabin jumpseat to all SWA employees - not just flight attendants, but that literally means that they can sit in an unoccupied FA jumpseat. We offer 1 of those on the -700 and 2 on -800 and MAX 8. People who travel on cabin jumpseat pass are required to check in with the captain, and usually it's a quick hello, show an ID, and you're done. Namely because you're considered an additional crew member. Same with pilots even if you're sitting in the back.
The problem is that the authorization which is used to allow jumpseating is under the pretext that you're considered an additional crew member, and you accept those responsibilities.
Let me give you an extreme example. Suppose you're a pilot, not wearing a uniform, you're enjoying time off and are going someplace fun and you have a seat in the back:
1. If you are on a jumpseat pass, you are considered an additional crew, so you cannot drink alcohol. If you do, you can get terminated. Supposedly, we've had a pilot face termination over this.
2. If you're on a pure nonrev pass, feel free to enjoy the full bar.
How the company chooses to address these is on them... I just try to protect my multimillion dollar career by abiding with what's in the book, and if it takes me a minute longer because I got interrupted by a jumpseat request, so be it.
At SWA, OAL FA's are considered nonrevs because they cannot occupy an actual jumpseat and ergo do not need to check in with the captain. Conversely, we do offer cabin jumpseat to all SWA employees - not just flight attendants, but that literally means that they can sit in an unoccupied FA jumpseat. We offer 1 of those on the -700 and 2 on -800 and MAX 8. People who travel on cabin jumpseat pass are required to check in with the captain, and usually it's a quick hello, show an ID, and you're done. Namely because you're considered an additional crew member. Same with pilots even if you're sitting in the back.
The problem is that the authorization which is used to allow jumpseating is under the pretext that you're considered an additional crew member, and you accept those responsibilities.
Let me give you an extreme example. Suppose you're a pilot, not wearing a uniform, you're enjoying time off and are going someplace fun and you have a seat in the back:
1. If you are on a jumpseat pass, you are considered an additional crew, so you cannot drink alcohol. If you do, you can get terminated. Supposedly, we've had a pilot face termination over this.
2. If you're on a pure nonrev pass, feel free to enjoy the full bar.
How the company chooses to address these is on them... I just try to protect my multimillion dollar career by abiding with what's in the book, and if it takes me a minute longer because I got interrupted by a jumpseat request, so be it.
actually, for a short time at my airline, if you had a seat in the back you didn’t have to check in.
of course, they changed it back for some reasons. I’m guessing a ship commander blew a gasket when someone didn’t.
06-22-2024, 03:19 PM
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you're both wrong.
06-22-2024, 03:23 PM
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It seems as a whole that airlines/and unions should make things more clear for everyone or at least send some memos out reminding everyone of the rules. Recently I listed the JS on a JetBlue flight, although I got a seat in the back the gate agent told me “show this to the captain”. And printed on that form was “Captains Copy”. I politely knocked and stepped in and introduced myself, said I listed JS and got a seat in the back as I politely held the “captains copy” form out to the female captain. She gave me a snarky look and said if you have a seat in the back you don’t need to come up here and bother me.
Right. The policy says I need to, I was instructed by the gate agent as well, but in her own rules I don’t need to. I’ve also been told by a legacy pilot that “he doesn’t control the seats in the back, only the gate agent does”. And that if I have a seat in the back, go sit down because it’s an airline policy that the seat was given to me, not his own; he only controls who rides the JS.
too many pilots have their own rules about this and it’s just confusing.
Right. The policy says I need to, I was instructed by the gate agent as well, but in her own rules I don’t need to. I’ve also been told by a legacy pilot that “he doesn’t control the seats in the back, only the gate agent does”. And that if I have a seat in the back, go sit down because it’s an airline policy that the seat was given to me, not his own; he only controls who rides the JS.
too many pilots have their own rules about this and it’s just confusing.
06-22-2024, 03:28 PM
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at my airline we often had FA's jumpseating a specific route. They always checked in with the Captain. The leads were well trained and sent all jumpseaters to the cockpit. The gate agents would deliver the Jumpseat forms for those listed just before sending pax down.
06-22-2024, 03:33 PM
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No need to check in for a jumpseat if you have a seat in the back, I've done it 3 times this past year and haven't been called out on it.
I've had a few people do it on flights I operate and I prefer it that way. I don't want to talk to or see your face.
I've had a few people do it on flights I operate and I prefer it that way. I don't want to talk to or see your face.
06-22-2024, 03:56 PM
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You forgot that I'm a full fare passenger. I'm not responsible to curb his behaviour. he could have easily asked the gate agent my traveling status. His team approached me and apologized for his abhorrent behaviour. They asked if I wanted to file a complaint. I declined. I did him a favor by not lodging a complaint.
06-22-2024, 04:06 PM
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unless of course, you’re an off-line pilot, then yea you do.
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